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Contents 1 Comments from 2004 2 Heavy dislike for Profile section 3 Patty Hou 4 Chou or Chow? 5 Traditional Chinese name 6 Patty Hou 7 Taiwan 8 Merge 9 Julian Labrin? 10 The Album Section 11 Jay Chou Main Pic

[edit] Comments from 2004

Great, somebody who knows info about Jay Chow! I was dissappointed when I couldn't find a WP entry for this celebrity so I created a stub page for him; even though I know very little. --Comrade-HW 01:53, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

u can find a lot of info by the external links. including his diary (in English)! ;) u r his fan? ;) --Yacht 04:36, Mar 28, 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not a big fan, but yes, I like his music. --Comrade-HW 07:48, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I thought his surname was Zhou, in SI. But oh well. I have even spoken to people from East-Asia over Skype and they all refer to him as Jay Zhou. --Scotteh 10:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heavy dislike for Profile section

It honestly appears to me that someone decided to copy/paste the profile from another site (or compiled from many sites). I have doubts that some of the information is authentic. Also, does anyone really care that much about Jay (don't get me wrong, I love Jay) to want to know about what he collects? Surely, it is a "contribution", but to have a "contribution" based on a simple copy/paste command and a search query in Google just doesn't seem right. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stevay (talk • contribs) 20:04, 20 November 2004 (UTC)

Cripes, this article is a bit... uhrm, in requirement of cleaning up. I agree that the Profile page needs to be removed, due to Wikipedia's frowning upon copy/pasting (and also I don't really think we need to know Chou's favourite food is fried chicken); I also find the "Jay's mama doesn't like him dating Patty" thing a bit awkward. Anyway then, fixing up this article. -Grumpyhan 16:19, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Patty Hou

Did Jay really "break up" with Patty Hou on Feb. 21? I somehow have my doubts due to the fact that jay-chou.net keeps adding more and more news about their relationship. Stevay 01:38, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chou or Chow?

What exactly is the official surname? Both versions are scattered around the article and I'm not sure if I want to edit it as I'm unsure which is correct. --Grumpyhan 06:13, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I personally think it's "Chou". Most people pronounce it the same way "Chow" is pronounced, as if it were Cantonese. A lot of places use "Chou" though, as it is the proper Wade-Giles romanization (which is used in Taiwan). Stevay 00:49, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

i think it's "Chou" as well. And i think the article should be moved to "Jay Chou". --Plastictv 04:09, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well, it's not actually pronounced as "Chow", at least not in Mandarin. I'd prefer if the Wade-Giles system were to be abandoned. I prefer Zhou. Illusionz 02 Aug 2005 (UTC)

In Hanyu Pinyin, it should be Zhou, but since (I don't know why) Tawainese pinyin is a bit different and uses "ch" for "zh" sounds, and Jay's Taiwanese, I reckon the official spelling should be "Chou." Chow can be ignored; it seems to be just the screwed up English pinyin stuff. Haha =P

Shawn 01:07, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

"Chow" is the French romanization which dated back 400 years ago from the French missionaries, and is still used in Hong Kong (which also sounds similar to Cantonese). Jay Chou (Taiwan) is known as "Jay Chow" in Hong Kong. If anything, this romanization system dates back much older than Hanyu Pinyin or Wade Giles. I don't know how French romanization can be remotely close to "screwed up English pinyin stuff."--Ruthless4Life 08:23, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh I already posted this somewhere else on the page:

I thought his surname was Zhou, in SI. But oh well. I have even spoken to people from East-Asia over Skype and they all refer to him as Jay Zhou. --Scotteh 10:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

In fact ,i'm a Chinese,Jay is one of of our courtry ,not Taiwanese, you know ,Taiwan is a part of China ,Jay also says he is a Chinese ,so in our language,it is pronounced as"Zhou jielun(周杰伦)and "周杰倫"is also OK, but in the mainland we do not write 周杰倫while the people in Taiwan province write 周杰倫,but 周杰倫and 周杰伦are the sameas people in taiwan province also speak and write Chinese as we do.my English is not well enough ,so can you understand me?If someone really likes Jay,add me please, my MSN is:Blue_icy_summer@hotmail.com. As i'm a Chinese, i can get the information of him quicker than you do.If you add me,i can tell you a lot of news of him ,and show you many pictures of him ,they are really cool!

[edit] Traditional Chinese name

Is the proper traditional Chinese name of Jay Chou 周傑倫 or 周杰倫? An anonymous editor had left a comment within the article stating that the latter was the correct name, which is not currently reflected within the article. Hall Monitor 16:13, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

it is 周杰倫. ([Alfa Bio]) --69.86.166.184 04:09, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Wonderful, thank you for providing a source for this information as well! Best regards, Hall Monitor 16:05, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

The first is traditional (Taiwan, Hong Kong), the latter is simplified (China).--Ruthless4Life 08:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

It should remain 周杰倫 because that is how he is credited on his CDs and other marketing material. Cariel 19:11, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, 周杰倫 is traditional, not simplified. 周傑倫 is a completely different name. Just for clarification.eminemjamesuk 23:48, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I downloaded a song by him. It read "周杰伦". --Scotteh 10:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

That is the simplified version of the name. -Arsonal 05:27, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

In fact ,i'm a Chinese,Jay is one of of our courtry ,not Taiwanese, you know ,Taiwan is a part of China ,Jay also says he is a Chinese ,so in our language,it is pronounced as"Zhou jielun(周杰伦)and "周杰倫"is also OK, but in the mainland we do not write 周杰倫while the people in Taiwan province write 周杰倫,but 周杰倫and 周杰伦are the sameas people in taiwan province also speak and write Chinese as we do.my English is not well enough ,so can you understand me?If someone really likes Jay,add me please, my MSN is:Blue_icy_summer@hotmail.com. As i'm a Chinese, i can get the information of him quicker than you do.If you add me,i can tell you a lot of news of him ,and show you many pictures of him ,they are really cool!

[edit] Patty Hou

Currently Jay Chow is having a relationship with Patty Hou. Under Patty Hou's wiki it says "Patty Hou Pei Cen (侯佩岑; pinyin: Hóu Pèicén) is a former news anchor in Taiwan who is best known for her beauty and her relationship with Taiwanese R&B singer Jay Chou." I see why there is no reference to her on his website in turn? Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.156.6.54 (talk • contribs) 02:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC).

but we should admit that Jay also says " I'm Jay Chou from Taiwan Province of China" so those people who say Taiwan is independent should know the history of China firstly

[edit] Taiwan

Stevay, you have reverted my edits three times and I thought it wise to discuss on the talk page instead. By listing "China, Taiwan" it gives the impression that China and Taiwan are separate nations. Also, if just listed as "China", it would already include Hong Kong SAR, which is listed separately, then separately listing HK implies that it is not part of china, which is why I see the need to insert "mainland". The ROC Govt has, in its organisational structure, a Taiwan Province. The PRC Govt also has Taiwan Province as a province. Please see Taiwan Province. That Taiwan is a province of China is agreed by both the ROC and PRC, so saying "Taiwan, Province of China" it clarifies the situation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JSIN (talk • contribs) 09:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC).

I was about to bring up Hong Kong. Look at the article of "Taiwan, Province of China". It doesn't even fit in the context of this article. Why are we talking politics in an article on Jay Chou? If you really wanted to talk politics or government in a Taiwanese artist's article, you might as well just go to A-Mei's article.

You are also in fact misconstruing the article of "Taiwan, Province of China". Okay, so the PRC and ROC agree that there is a Taiwan province in their organizational structure. However, there's still the entire controversy (dare I use that word) over whether Taiwan is an independent nation, and you cannot say "since they both have a province of Taiwan in their government, Taiwan is definitely a Chinese province". The "province of China" remark is NOT agreed upon by both the PRC and ROC; that is a complete fallacy because what "province of China" means to both is under a completely different context. The fact that there exists the Taiwan Province article is a bit odd, because that article itself is not well-written. Read the first line of the article. "...existing administrative division under the government of the Republic of China or the claimed 23rd province of the People's Republic of China." We have two completely different contexts for this "province".

We want to make the link to a Taiwan article fit in Jay Chou's context, i.e. geography. With the entire question of sovereignty for Taiwan, it would be more "neutral" if we had just used a geographical article than an article obviously ill-formed enough to let others derive "since Taiwan is a province in the ROC, and the PRC, it is therefore a province of China". Well, there's just one problem. Define "China". Also, consider the number of times the article Taiwan is linked to in Jay Chou's article already. Are we going to replace every single instance with Taiwan Province, and then manage to confuse or possibly offend all the potential readers of the article? You talked about being "neutral" earlier (albeit, using the fallacy that ambiguity implies neutrality); the fact that you cannot do it now is hypocritical.

And this is coming from a mainlander who believes that Taiwan is a province of the PRC. Stevay (Talk) 20:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I know that there are two different contexts for "Taiwan Province", and so without stating which context it is both factual and neutral. However, I will make a different edit to which I hope you will agree. JSIN 07:34, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I think the new edit is fine, but that doesn't resolve the rest of the "Taiwans" in the article. However, I completely disagree about the misinformation of the context. That does not make it factual or neutral, it makes it misleading. Stevay (Talk) 19:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Ye Qu is too small to be a stand-alone article. It needs to be merged here instead. ˑˑˑ日本穣 ^{Talk to Nihonjoε} 20:44, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

We have articles on songs. A song as popular as this one deserves an article. If this is to be merged with anything, it should be merged with the album November's Chopin, not the singers bio--Jiang 04:39, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Julian Labrin?

This wiki contains: "his innovative usage of the famous classical pieces from the late composer Julian Labrin (1786)". I couldn't find any information on this composer and the link of this composer doesn't work. I wonder if there is such a composer at all...... Kw02 14:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)kw02Kw02 14:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Nope, he doesn't exist; might as well remove it. Stevay (Talk) 17:50, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] The Album Section

hello all. Is it just me, or does the albums section section look messy? i have some ideas about "cleaning" the look of it up here...suggestions/ the go ahead to change it on the article? zeChinaman 03:16, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jay Chou Main Pic

The Current Picture doesn't do justice to jay chou.

he looks like generic rapper with hat covering his face.

maybe a mugshot of some sort would be more fitting