Talk:Pekingese
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I wrote the extended version... Don't know what mistakes are in it since I did it on a lark - though I know more about pekes than most people do!
--152.163.252.228 05:40, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC) User:Mlo
- Good job! That's the sort of person who *should* be adding tons of stuff to articles. I'm making an editing pass but i'm delighted to see info here. I'll remove the msg:stub, too. Elf | Talk 16:05, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
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- Now I have some questions. I remember that there were 4 dogs given as a gift to someone by the imperial court but I don't remember what the occasion was or to whom to gift was given. Do you know? Also, your text said that "some affection must be withheld" to avoid jealousy over a child--I assume that meant withholding affection from the Peke, not the child!? so I clarified that. Elf | Talk 16:46, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
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- I am unaware of any gift of 4 dogs, usually it was a pair. I added some history of gifts and the 1860 pillage, which should not be described as a gift. --ClemMcGann 11:47, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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- Interesting. In a quick peek (peke? ;-) ) in two books, they're quite circumspect about the origins; one says simply "the first 4 pekes arrived in the west in 1860" and the other says "the peke first cam to britain in 1860 following the overthowing by the british of China's summer palace." Which your new addition says with much more interesting details. So I removed the gift line. Elf | Talk 20:55, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I’m not enough into Wiki to write this up properly: --ClemMcGann 01:03, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
There are a few other things that could be said about Pekingese. Their origin, as already noted they are wolf descendants. They hunted in large packs, attacking prey much larger than themselves. Which is why their noses are recessed. They can bite into the flanks of their victim and hang on without being suffocated. They have a fold over their noses to protect it from any blood.
An expansion on the legends would be nice. As would the Empress’s description of them.
In the Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, in the Bishop collection, there is a carved crystal of a Pekingese with two pups. It dates from the Ming Dynasty.
Pekingese had a role in ceremonials and in diplomacy. Here reference could be made to ‘sleeve’ pekes. They occur rarely and randomly. They cannot be used for breeding. A mandarin would have one of these in his sleeve, as he negotiated. If there was a problem, he would be all nods and smiles, however the dog would growl or bark.
I used the term ‘opium war’ since wiki uses it. At the time it was called a ‘trade war’.
Officially the Emperor didn’t flee the Forbidden City. He merely went on a summer vacation. There wasn’t enough room for the Pekingese on the wagons. So some serving girls had to get off to make room for them. These unfortunates then had their throats silt and were cast into wells. This poisoned the wells, denying them to the ‘foreign devils’.
No Pekingese were seen outside of the Chinese Palaces prior to 1860. For the next thirty years, they were often stolen. The Chinese used to crop their tails to make them less valuable. From 1890 there are instances of Pekes being presented as gifts.
It might be inappropriate to add: The Imperial Chinese Court had many concubines. Their children were usually killed at birth. They were then given a Pekingese puppy to wet nurse. The results are, that modern ladies find Pekingese extremely affectionate and faithful and that Pekingese have poor maternal instincts. --ClemMcGann 01:03, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Please correct the name "TrikiWoo" as mentioned in the text into "Tricki-Woo" (see the original James Herriot books for correct spelling). The Pekingese came to Britain due to a high army official smuggling two Pekingeses out of China and intop Britain when the British troops retreated. The were given to the then Souvereign who started the breed in Britain. It took decades before a Pekingese came to the mainland of Europe. This is a breed of dogs who are loving, kind, faithful to death and who have the courage of a lion. They will take on any dog, no matter the size, and not utter a sound when fighting (this is from,personal experience with five Pekingeses over a period of 35 years), but they are stubborn as mules and regard their owner as their servant (as royals will do).
- above message is from User:80.60.192.181
- I'm not an expert of James Herriot, I suggest that you make the change - that is what wiki is all about - you can edit it yourself!
- The first Pekes in England are mentioned in the history paragraph. They wern't smuggled - they were stolen. I am unaware of Victoria's Looty having any pups. If you have a reference, then feel free to add the information. As for them being stubborn, it depends on how they regard you. If they regard you are the Emperor or the Emperess then they will instantly obey your command. If they are seated on a chair when you enter a room, they will immediately vacate it. On the other hand, if they regard you as a servant ... ... ClemMcGann 14:27, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
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I'm now going to offend everyone, but it must be said. None of the peeks in the new photos are up to the standard of the old b&w. ClemMcGann 19:27, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
