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[edit] Talk page archived

The former talk page was getting too long, so I moved it.--Niohe 12:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tibet flag should be removed from the Sovereignty section

If the "Tibet" flag remains in the section, a picture of the Chinese national flag flying in Tibet should also be present. Otherwise, the presence of only the Tibetan flag in the Sovereignty section of this article implies that Tibet is a sovereign state with its own "inherent" flag, which is a highly POV assertion. Mamin27 00:37, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I disagree, the caption says the flag was historically used. Nowhere does this article say Tibet is a sovereign state with it's own flag today. Khoikhoi 01:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

You obviously are not reading the same caption I'm reading or you are just making things up. Where does the caption mention the word "historically"? This is what your caption says: Flag of Tibet used intermittently between 1912 and 1950. This version was introduced by the 13th Dalai Lama in 1912. It continues to be used by the Government of Tibet in Exile, but is outlawed in the People's Republic of China. This caption is unacceptable for NPOV in the context of this section titled "Sovereignty." I am forced to add the sentence: "No country in the world recognizes this flag as sovereign." Mamin27 04:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Dude, the Government of Tibet in Exile is in India, and everyone knows it's not a sovereign nation anyways. That's why it has the name "in exile" in it. It's different from Tibet itself, which as we all know is in China. Tibet has historically used the flag, and now the gov. of Tibet in exile still uses it. That's not POV at all. Khoikhoi 04:10, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

The phrasing of your caption is unacceptable. It first states that the flag was used between 1912 and 1950 (presumably the time period when Tibet was "sovereign" and had exercised political independence), and then the following sentence states "It continues to be used by the Government of Tibet in Exile." This is subtle language used to hint that the bearers of this flag holds sovereignty over Tibet, which is absolutely unacceptable for NPOV. No, it's not common knowledge that Tibet is not a sovereign nation; if it were, why do you need a section called "A sovereign nation?" Mamin27 04:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

The section "A sovereign nation?" is about Tibet's historical, not present-day status. That's why it says, "the Chinese government and the Government of Tibet in Exile, however, disagree over when Tibet became a part of China, and whether this incorporation into China was legitimate." They're talking about the past. I find the caption perfectly acceptable, as it is indeed common knowledge that Tibet is part of China. I also honestly find nothing wrong with the caption at all. Khoikhoi 04:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

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