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Contents 1 Line score template 2 "Year founded" 3 Dates in baseball 4 Postseason Infoboxes 5 Article names with slashes in the title 6 What a great project! 7 Hello People 8 Linked dates in section headers 9 Quiz 10 Subproject for MLB postseason 10.1 Game 1 11 Barnstar? 12 New cite template 13 Splitting List of baseball jargon

[edit] Line score template

I thought I would bring this up here, I created {{Template:Linescore9inn}} last year and his been implented on several pages, 2005 World Series being the most notable. The reason I brought it up is that someone on the NLDS was determined to keep reverting it when I put it in. The benifits of using the template are many. One, it ensures that all the linescores look the same. Two, it is a lot easier to fill out for someone uncomfortable filling out the syntax and takes up a lot less room in the edit screen. Third, it is much easier to adjust to extra innings. Compare these two examples.

{{Linescore9inn|
 |Road=Houston|RoadAbr=HOU
 |R1=0|R2=1|R3=2|R4=0|R5=0|R6=0|R7=0|R8=0|R9=0|RR=3|RH=7|RE=1
 |Home='''Chicago'''|HomeAbr=CHW
 |H1=1|H2=2|H3=0|H4=1|H5=0|H6=0|H7=0|H8=1|H9=X|HR=5||HH=10||HE=0
 |WP=[[José Contreras]] (1-0)|LP=[[Wandy Rodríguez]] (0-1)|SV=[[Bobby Jenks]] (1)
 |RoadHR=[[Mike Lamb]] (1)|HomeHR=[[Jermaine Dye]] (1), [[Joe Crede]] (1)
 |}}

which produces:

Team	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	R	H	E
Houston	0	1	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	7	1
Chicago	1	2	0	1	0	0	0	1	X	5	10	0
WP: José Contreras (1-0) LP: Wandy Rodríguez (0-1) SV: Bobby Jenks (1) HRs: HOU – Mike Lamb (1) CHW – Jermaine Dye (1), Joe Crede (1)

and even pushing out to 14 innings:

{{Linescore14inn|
 |Road='''Chicago'''|RoadAbr=CHW
 |R1=0|R2=0|R3=0|R4=0|R5=5|R6=0|R7=0|R8=0|R9=0|R10=0|R11=0|R12=0|R13=0|R14=2|RR=7|RH=14|RE=3
 |Home=Houston|HomeAbr=HOU
 |H1=1|H2=0|H3=2|H4=1|H5=0|H6=0|H7=0|H8=1|H9=0|H10=0|H11=0|H12=0|H13=0|H14=0|HR=5|HH=8|HE=1
 |WP=[[Dámaso Marte]] (1-0)|LP=[[Ezequiel Astacio]] (0-1)|SV=[[Mark Buehrle]] (1)
 |RoadHR=[[Joe Crede]] (2), [[Geoff Blum]] (1)
 |HomeHR=[[Jason Lane]] (1)
 |}}

produces:

Team	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	13	14	R	H	E
Chicago	0	0	0	0	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	7	14	3
Houston	1	0	2	1	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	8	1
WP: Dámaso Marte (1-0) LP: Ezequiel Astacio (0-1) SV: Mark Buehrle (1)
HRs: CHW – Joe Crede (2), Geoff Blum (1) HOU – Jason Lane (1)

Here is an example of the previous syntax:

{| border=1 cellspacing=0 width=425 style="margin-left:3em;"
 |- style="text-align:center; background-color:#e6e6e6;"
 !align=left width=28%|Team
 !width=6%|1
 !width=6%|2
 !width=6%|3
 !width=6%|4
 !width=6%|5
 !width=6%|6
 !width=6%|7
 !width=6%|8
 !width=6%|9
 !width=6%|R
 !width=6%|H
 !width=6%|E
 |- style="text-align:center;"
 |align=left|Atlanta
 |0||2||0
 |0||0||0
 |0||1||0
 |'''3'''||'''8'''||'''0'''
 |- style="text-align:center;"
 |align=left|'''Houston'''
 |2||0||1
 |0||0||0
 |4||0||X
 |'''7'''||'''12'''||'''1'''
 |- style="text-align:left;"
 |colspan=13|<small>'''WP''': [[Roy Oswalt]] (1-0)  '''LP''': [[Jorge Sosa]] (0-1)</small>
 |- style="text-align:left;"
 |colspan=13|<small>'''HR''': '''HOU''' – [[Mike Lamb]] (1)</small>
 |}

which produces:

Team	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	R	H	E
Atlanta	0	2	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	3	8	0
Houston	2	0	1	0	0	0	4	0	X	7	12	1
WP: Roy Oswalt (1-0) LP: Jorge Sosa (0-1)
HR: HOU – Mike Lamb (1)

and now pushing to extra innings:

{| border=1 cellspacing=0 width=600 style="margin-left:3em;"
 |- style="text-align:center; background-color:#e6e6e6;"
 !align=left width=16%|Team
 !width=4%|1
 !width=4%|2
 !width=4%|3
 !width=4%|4
 !width=4%|5
 !width=4%|6
 !width=4%|7
 !width=4%|8
 !width=4%|9
 !width=4%|10
 !width=4%|11
 !width=4%|12
 !width=4%|13
 !width=4%|14
 !width=4%|15
 !width=4%|16
 !width=4%|17
 !width=4%|18
 !width=4%|R
 !width=4%|H
 !width=4%|E
 |- style="text-align:center;"
 |align=left|Atlanta
 |0||0||4
 |0||1||0
 |0||1||0
 |0||0||0
 |0||0||0
 |0||0||0
 |'''6'''||'''13'''||'''0'''
 |- style="text-align:center;"
 |align=left|'''Houston'''
 |0||0||0
 |0||1||0
 |0||4||1
 |0||0||0
 |0||0||0
 |0||0||1
 |'''7'''||'''10'''||'''1'''
 |- style="text-align:left;"
 |colspan=22|<small>'''WP''': [[Roger Clemens]] (1-1)  '''LP''': [[Joey Devine]] (0-1)</small>
 |- style="text-align:left;"
 |colspan=22|<small>'''HRs''': '''ATL''' – [[Adam LaRoche]] (1), [[Brian McCann (baseball player)|Brian McCann]] (2). '''HOU''' – [[Lance Berkman]] (1), [[Brad Ausmus]] (1), [[Chris Burke (baseball player)|Chris Burke]] (1)</small>
 |}

which produces:

Team	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	13	14	15	16	17	18	R	H	E
Atlanta	0	0	4	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	6	13	0
Houston	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	4	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	7	10	1
WP: Roger Clemens (1-1) LP: Joey Devine (0-1)
HRs: ATL – Adam LaRoche (1), Brian McCann (2). HOU – Lance Berkman (1), Brad Ausmus (1), Chris Burke (1)

With the previous syntax, notice how the width percentages need to be adjusted to take into account for the extra columns, which is not needed in the template. Comments are appreciated. --Holderca1 03:22, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Looks great. So what's the problem? Why was it being reverted? —Wknight94 (talk) 03:24, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

They claimed that the other way "looked better" and was the way that is done everywhere else on Wikipedia. The first one is something that can be accounted for in the template, the second is hardly a valid reason. --Holderca1 03:26, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I put it back. I agree that it looks better and a template is easier to use by definition. —Wknight94 (talk) 11:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

BTW, it would be good to put some of this documentation above in the template itself - or at least in its talk page. —Wknight94 (talk) 11:08, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Will do, I will work on it today. --Holderca1 12:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Of course now that your template is in play, you get to go back and fix all of the existing articles too! ;) —Wknight94 (talk) 00:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I updated the template, the HRH field is no longer needed. --Holderca1 13:51, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Year founded"

Someone has been adding a {{Template:Minor league team}} to a whole bunch of pages I watch. Other than seeming to be kinda large (for a few teams, the template is bigger than the article), I'm more concerned about an item that says "year founded". As we know, minor league franchises move and change mascots/team names, well, a lot. What is the consensus regarding such an item? Is it (a) the year the current city and name both went into effect; (b) the year the team moved to the current city, even if it's changed "mascots" since then; or (c) the year someone decided to establish a franchise, even if it was in another city with a totally different team name? Those can be hard to track. And, yes, I think this discussion has been held before. -- dakern74 (talk) 03:54, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dates in baseball

All the articles in Category:Dates in baseball are being considered for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/June 2 in baseball (second nomination). Thryduulf 09:42, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Postseason Infoboxes

I believe these championship infoboxes should be removed on sight as they're out of scope for the wiki and they're repeated data from the team infoboxes. The conclusion that they show a history of a championship is not the intent of a single team's page. The NLDS, NLCS, ALDS, ALCS, NL Pennants, AL Pennants and WS wikis should depict the history and winners of the prior series. An example of this can be found here. Thankfully, most teams do not use the championship infoboxes because of their long history (e.g., the NYY, Dodgers, Boston, Chicago, Cardinals) as it doesn't make sense to have a bloated infobox along with the bloated team records. Retropunk 07:15, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

What's a postseason infobox/championship infobox? —Wknight94 (talk) 10:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I think Retropunk is talking about a table like the one he removed here. Rolando (talk) 13:45, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article names with slashes in the title

I have came across quite a few artices that have a slash in the title, for example: Detroit Tigers/Team records. I think these were created thinking that they were subpages, but the subpage feature is disabled in the main article space and you end up just getting an article with a slash in the title. I have changed a few to titles without the slash, but it seems that that slash has infested quite a few articles. Also see Wikipedia:Subpages#Disallowed_uses and item 3 is what applies here. --Holderca1 18:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What a great project!

Hello all! I am new here but would love to contribute to this project. I have created a couple of pages for a pair of defunct teams of the Southeastern League of Professional Baseball:

• Selma Cloverleafs
• Americus Arrows

Do I manually add the tag to this project on the discussion page or request it? I love researching defunct teams and am glad to finally have an outlet for it! -- Patriarca12.

You can add any tag to any page your heart desires! :) Very nice job on those two articles BTW. Can your references be found on the Internet anywhere? Just curious... Keep up the good work! —Wknight94 (talk) 17:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello People

So i have added myself to the members list (if that's not okay, please let me know). I am a huge baseball fan and love the sport and colleting memorabilia from the sport (specifically baseball cards). I have noticed some major problems with almost all of the bios. Is it possible to develop a template that would standardize the format for a page as a whole? That might not be the best idea, but i'm trying to figure out how to fix all this POV stuff and other erros. Information is repeated many times throughout the article, statements of opinion are found all over the place, and many info boxes are simply used to list information that is not easily understood by people not familiar with the sport of baseball. Wiki is for the everyperson, I don't think that people in ethiopia are likely to understand what OPS is. --Tecmobowl 09:00, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Anyone can add themselves to the list - in fact, it may be the only way you can get on! :) While I agree that Ethiopians are not going to understand what OPS is, 1.) I don't think they'll care, 2.) I definitely don't think that's a reason to remove it like you did here, and 3.) one of the chief benefits here is that you can link to the OPS page which will guide them somewhere to learn. I'm not going to understand any of the statistics in a cricket player's bio but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be any stats shown. If I want to understand them - which I currently don't - I'll click on those stats and start reading. As far as POV, I noticed some warnings on your talk page (which you've removed) which seem to stem from you making huge changes to long-established articles. The Willie Mays article has been around since the early days and has had POV issues since edit #1 in July 2002. In articles that old, it's best to tread somewhat lightly - at least until people get to know and trust you a little - and probably discuss large changes on the talk page first. I've been here over a year now and have never removed as much stuff from an article as you have in any of your edits to that page. Regardless of whether I agree or disagree with your intention - and in a quick scan I do agree with some of your changes - hopefully you can understand how doing them all at once without a single attempt at discussion or a single edit on Talk:Willie Mays would freak some people out. —Wknight94 (talk) 12:59, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, some of my history is due to me learning my way around here. However, most of the accusations I think were made by people who themselves didn't understand the issue OR by people who have been harassing me for no aparent reason (i'll leave out links b/c it's just not a big deal). I have read through the POV section many times and will continue to look at it carefully. People throw the term vandalism far too often. I will continue to add discussions for the appropriate changes, as I have done on this talk page. Perhaps my example of ethiopians was a bit extreme, however, my main point is that player templates should not be used to list an "excesive" amount of information. Obviously, this is a very subjective thing. I feel that the templates are used in order to summarize information ... not regurgitate it. Please feel free to engage me in a discussion anytime you are concerned with my edits. Thank you for responding as well. --Tecmobowl 18:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Linked dates in section headers

I'm strongly considering going through the various series articles and removing the linked dates from the section headers. WP:MOSHEAD is very clear that nothing should be linked in headings. For dates in particular, the appearance - and therefore the section link - can appear different depending on the reader's date preferences. Using 1986 World Series#Game 6, October 25 to link to Game 6 of the 1986 World Series works for me but, if I prefer to see dates as 25 October, that link would not work. In addition, the date doesn't seem necessary for section headers anyway. Why not just use "Game 6" as the section heading instead of the less wieldy "Game 6, October 25". Any opinions before I fire up WP:AWB? —Wknight94 (talk) 02:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• I would definitely agree about the linked dates. Personally, I would remove the date from the title as well, but someone else might feel otherwise, so that part is up to you. --Tecmobowl 02:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Sorry, not sure I follow. Which article titles have dates? —Wknight94 (talk) 03:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I meant title as in "section header" --Tecmobowl 04:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quiz

I have started a page at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Baseball/Quiz. Eventually, it will look like Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cricket/Quiz or Wikipedia:WikiProject_AFL/Quiz. Look at those pages to get a feel for the idea. Feel free to join in! ςפקιДИτς ☺ ☻ 20:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Subproject for MLB postseason

What do you all think about a subproject for the MLB postseason. There is definitely enough pages to support a project, at least 200. There are quite a few that need a lot of work and I think getting some dedicated participants to work on them would help out. If there is enough interest I can take up the lead on getting it all set up. --Holderca1 15:07, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Seems like this main project hasn't had much going on lately. What do you need help with? I've got a lot of record books and historical stuff that might come in useful. -- dakern74 (talk) 20:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Just a lot of cleanup, standardization, expansion etc... Some of the articles have nearly half of their content in a trivia section, most of which should be integrated into the body of the article. --Holderca1 15:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure an entire separate project is totally necessary but I'm all for trying to clean them up as part of this project. One thing I notice (and may even be guilty of) is adding too much unsourced drama and speculation (WP:OR) to the postseason articles in particular. Anyway, let me know how you want to organize it all and I'm in. I've also got a nice World Series book which goes into detail about World Series games and would probably count as a WP:RS. —Wknight94 (talk) 16:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I would also like to create an article for each WS with the box scores, see 2005 World Series box scores. It takes quite a bit of work, but I think it adds quite a bit of detail to the WS pages. --Holderca1 18:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't personally mind that but you may meet some opposition along the lines of Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Good luck. —Wknight94 (talk) 18:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, the '05 page has existed for a year now without opposition. If there is an article for every episode of the Simpsons, then what would be wrong with a few box scores. --Holderca1 18:47, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Like I said, I don't mind it but there may have been no complaints because almost nothing links to it, i.e. few have seen it. I think you would get resistance if you tried to create boxscore-only articles for other postseason series. But I could be wrong - it's been known to happen! :) —Wknight94 (talk) 19:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

BTW, to answer your direct question, the Simpsons episode articles include write-ups and information beyond the box score so-to-speak. There's really nothing else that could be written about a set of box scores. Now that I think about it, the box scores should probably replace the line scores in the 2005 World Series article itself. It's not like that article is too long or anything. —Wknight94 (talk) 19:04, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

That may not be a bad idea, although the 7 game WS will be pretty long with all the box scores included. I guess this wouldn't need to be a project on its own, would a subpage of the main project be appropriate? --Holderca1 19:08, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Here is what a game would look like if merged... --Holderca1 19:19, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Would it be possible to fix the linescore box such that it's comestically pleasing (i.e., the removal of the empty rows)? Additionally, it may be nice to have a template for the team cards. Retropunk 22:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

What empty rows? I also don't know what you mean when you say team cards. --Holderca1 22:21, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

The empty homerun row. When I said team cards, I meant the team lineup cards or extended boxscore cards if you wish to call it that. Retropunk 22:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Can you point to a page with the empty homerun row? The template doesn't show the homerun row when no homeruns are hit. --Holderca1 18:49, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

It appears this happens with Firefox. IE shows a thicker bottom line and Firefox shows a small (height-wise) row. Retropunk 04:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I corrected that, but it changes the appearance when there are homeruns hit, I will look at it later to see if it is possible to fix that. --Holderca1 11:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Game 1

October 22: U.S. Cellular Field, Chicago, Illinois

Playing in their first World Series home game since 1959, the White Sox took an early lead with a home run from Jermaine Dye in the first inning. The Sox scored two more in the bottom half when Juan Uribe doubled in A.J. Pierzynski after Carl Everett had already scored on a groudout earlier in the inning. The Astros responded again in the next inning when Lance Berkman hit a double, driving in Adam Everett and Craig Biggio. In the White Sox half of the fourth, Joe Crede hit what turned out to be the game winning home run. In the bottom of the eighth, Scott Podsednik hit a triple with Pierzynski on second. Roger Clemens recorded his shortest World Series start, leaving after the second inning with 53 pitches including 35 for strikes, due to a sore hamstring that he had previously injured (and caused him to miss his last regular season start) as the loss went to Wandy Rodríguez. José Contreras pitched seven innings, allowing three runs on six hits for the win, and Bobby Jenks earned the save to give the White Sox a 1-0 lead in the series. When Neal Cotts entered the game in the top of the 8th it marked the first time in 5 games that the White Sox had gone to their bullpen.

Team	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	R	H	E
Houston	0	1	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	7	1
Chicago	1	2	0	1	0	0	0	1	X	5	10	0

Houston Astros Hitters AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG C. Biggio 2B 4 1 1 0 0 0 2 .250 W. Taveras CF 3 0 2 0 0 0 0 .667 L. Berkman LF 4 0 2 2 0 1 0 .500 C. Burke PR-LF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 M. Ensberg 3B 4 0 0 0 0 1 4 .000 M. Lamb 1B 4 1 1 1 0 2 3 .250 J. Bagwell DH 2 0 0 0 0 1 2 .000 J. Lane RF 4 0 0 0 0 1 2 .000 B. Ausmus C 3 0 1 0 0 1 2 .333 A. Everett SS 4 1 0 0 0 1 2 .000 Totals 32 3 7 3 0 7 15 BATTING 2B: L Berkman (1, J Contreras); W Taveras 2 (2, J Contreras 2) HR: M Lamb (1, 2nd inning off J Contreras 0 on, 1 Out) RBI: M Lamb (1), L Berkman 2 (2) S: W Taveras 2-out RBI: L Berkman GIDP: J Lane 1 Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: J Bagwell 2, C Biggio 1, M Lamb 1, M Ensberg 1 Team LOB: 6 BASERUNNING SB: C Burke (1, 2nd base off B Jenks/A Pierzynski) FIELDING E: A Everett (1, throw) DP: 2 (C Biggio-A Everett-M Lamb, M Lamb-A Everett-W Rodriguez) Houston Astros Pitchers IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA R. Clemens 2.0 4 3 3 0 1 1 54-35 13.50 W. Rodríguez (L, 0-1) 3.1 4 1 1 5 1 1 68-35 2.70 C. Qualls 1.2 4 1 1 5 1 1 24-16 0.00 R. Springer 1.0 2 1 1 0 0 0 23-14 9.00 Totals 8.0 10 5 5 5 4 2 169-100 PITCHING IBB: A Rowand (By W Rodriguez) Batters faced: R Clemens 10; W Rodriguez 17; C Qualls 6; R Springer 5 Ground Balls-Fly Balls: R Clemens 5-0; W Rodriguez 8-1; C Qualls 1-2; R Springer 0-3

Chicago White Sox Hitters AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG S. Podsednik LF 5 0 2 1 0 1 2 .400 T. Iguchi 2B 5 0 0 0 0 1 4 .000 J. Dye RF 2 1 1 1 2 0 0 .500 P. Konerko 1B 4 0 2 0 0 0 1 .500 C. Everett DH 3 1 1 0 0 1 3 .333 A. Rowand CF 3 0 1 0 1 1 3 .333 A. Pierzynski C 4 2 1 1 0 0 4 .250 J. Crede 3B 4 1 1 1 0 0 1 .250 J. Uribe SS 2 0 1 1 2 0 1 .500 Totals 32 5 10 5 5 4 19 BATTING 2B: J Uribe (1, R Clemens) HR: J Dye (1, 1st inning off R Clemens 0 on, 2 Out); J Crede (1, 4th inning off W Rodriguez 0 on, 1 Out) 3B: S Podsednik (1, R Springer) RBI: J Dye (1), A Pierzynski (1), J Uribe (1), J Crede (1), S Podsednik (1) S: C Everett 2-out RBI: J Dye, J Uribe, S Podsednik GIDP: T Iguchi 1, A Pierzynski 1 Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: A Rowand 1, S Podsednik 1, T Iguchi 2 Team LOB: 9 BASERUNNING SB: S Podsednik (1, 2nd base off C Qualls/B Ausmus); A Pierzynski (1, 2nd base off R Springer/B Ausmus) FIELDING DP: 1 (J Uribe-T Iguchi-P Konerko) Chicago White Sox Pitchers IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA J. Contreras (W, 1-0) 7.0 6 3 3 0 2 1 82-56 3.86 N. Cotts (H, 1) 0.2 1 0 0 0 2 0 16-10 0.00 B. Jenks (S, 1) 1.1 0 0 0 0 3 0 14-12 0.00 Totals 9.0 7 3 3 0 7 1 112-78 PITCHING HBP: J Bagwell (By J Contreras 2), B Ausmus (By J Contreras) Batters faced: J Contreras 29; N Cotts 3; B Jenks 4 Ground Balls-Fly Balls: J Contreras 13-6; N Cotts 0-0; B Jenks 1-0

Game Information Stadium: U.S. Cellular Field, Chicago, IL Attendance: 41,206 (101.5% full) Game Time: 3:13 Temperature: 53°F, overcast Wind: 6 mph, left to right Umpires: Home - Joe West, First Base - Jeff Nelson, Second Base - Jerry Layne, Third Base - Derryl Cousins, Left field - Gary Cederstrom, Right Field - Angel Hernandez

[edit] Barnstar?

I was thinking about a barnstar for this Wikiproject. Unfornately, I don't know how to make one, so I would appreciate it with someone with that knowledge created one and listed it at Wikipedia:Barnstar and award proposals. ¿ςפקιДИτς! ☺ ☻ 01:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New cite template

• As a shortcut for whoever wants to use it, I created Template:JamesAbstract for use in citing Bill James' abstract. Right now its written for the newest edition, so if anyone wants to use it for an older edition, feel free to modify it with various #ifs or whatever. Wickethewok 05:48, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Splitting List of baseball jargon

The page is Wikipedia's fifth largest as of the 11th. Splitting into two or three sections may be beneficial. TTV (MyTV|PolygonZ|Green Valley) 03:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

There's been a debate on that article's talk page about trimming it down, and/or whether it should be kept at all since it borders on a glossary. Props to User:Mack2 who has done a lot of work on it lately. But I agree more help may still be needed. -- dakern74 (talk) 06:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)