Talk:Abkhaz people
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Someone should explain who the Abkhazians are. There is no use to redirect to the article "Abkhazia". This is an encyclopedia!
Can someone add more content about the religion of the Abkhaz?
[edit] Abkhazian population in Turkey
I looked it up and there are some huge variations in the estimates available.
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- The exact number of Abkhazians in Turkey is not known, as the official Turkish data on minorities are notoriously unreliable. Some specialists speak of more than 100,000 Abkhazians (G.A. Dzidzariya, Makhadzhirstvo i problemy istorii Abkhazii XIX stoletija. Sukhumi: Alashara, 1982, p. 493), while other authors estimate their numbers in Turkey (together with that of the closely related Abazas) at half a million (cf. I. Marykhuba, Abkhazija v sovetskuju epokhu. Abkhazskie pis'ma (1947-1989), Sbornik dokumentov. Tom 1. Akua (Sukhum), 1994; P. Overeem, "Report of a UNPO coordinated human rights mission to Abkhazia and Georgia", in: Central Asian Survey, vol. 14, no. 1, 1995, p. 18). According to the results of my own field research in Turkey, there are no fewer than 250 Abkhaz-Abaza villages in that country (V.A. Chirikba, "Distribution of Abkhaz dialects in Turkey", in: Proceedings of the Conference dedicated to the memory of Tevfik Esenç, Istanbul, forthcoming). In addition, a large number of Abkhazians are now living in cities and towns, the most numerous communities being in Istanbul, Ankara, Duzce, Inegol, Bilecik, Eskishehir, Samsun and Sinop.
I think we should give both an upper and lower estimate, rather than just the higher end or even a mean one:KillaShark 06:50, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
The accuracy of this page is in serious trouble! The author claims Abkhazians have always maintained a majority population in Abkhazia yet I can not find a single reference anywhere (Save extremist Abkhazian nationalist sites!) which supports this shadowy claim.
In fact, the general academic consensus is the reverse. Most claim that Georgians held a the majority. Still others suggest that Abkhazians are in fact proto-Georgians with a relatively recent Northern Caucasion influence. This author seems to engage in "orginal research" which is clearly not allowed. I suggest we remove his writings and request that a qualified person submit a body of work on this subject that meets more rigorous academic standards. We do not need to further pollute Wikipedia with more dogmatic pablum!Dynamisto1 13:00, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Dynamisto, I would rather advice you to consult reliable sources before stating your opinions based on empty arguments. Both claims had sources, arguably reliable and academic. Who do you conceder as qualified person? The writing did meet "rigorous" academic approach. If you read carefully, you may analyze the sources which do meet academic standards. Polluting Wikipedia has been a major problem since the creation of this web site; however non-constructive attitudes only deepened its pollution instead of improving it. Before stating claim of invalidity of the section in the article, use reliable sources to support your arguments, otherwise they are useless blunders. Ldingley 13:37, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sources
Please present reliable and valid sources (primary and secondary) before labelling or challenging the claims made by the article. Thanks Ldingley 13:37, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV cleanup
This article is part of the NPOV backlog. Some minor, potentially loaded, text has been removed to reach NPOV. However, the tagged section, "History", does not cite a single source and therefore do not conform to WP:V (also see WP:RS). Since there has been no discussion suggesting further disagreement, the tag is removed. If you disagree with this, please re-tag the article with {{NPOV}} and post to Talk here. -- Steve Hart 18:28, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
In the history section, first paragraph, I changed the word "evicted" to "expelled". Eviction is a euphemism and is inconsistent with the use of verb expel later in the article in reference to Georgians in the 1990s. Eviction is usually related to the removal of tenants through legal methods. Lebenyu 19:27, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
