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Contents 1 Image Issues 2 Debut 3 Finishing Move 4 Carlito's Lifting Reverse STO. 5 Text Cleanup 6 Moved 7 Funny 8 Fan names section 9 Backcracker. 10 Apple Origin 11 Choice of Lifestyle? 12 "personal life" or "trivia"?? 13 "Heat" 14 Wreckless Intent? 15 Succession Boxes 16 Hurricanrana or Frankensteiner? 17 Atlethic Improvement

[edit] Image Issues

The image of Carlito should not be there since it is copywritten. No copywritten work!

That is why when you click the picture, it says Copyrighted. Therefore, you are allowed.CMC 06:09, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)

No, that's not how copyright works. — Gwalla | Talk 06:53, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Debut

Johnny Nitro didn't win the WWE Tag Team Title upon his debut; he'd been one of Bischoff's lackeys for a few months prior to his disappearance and return, and he also wrestled a couple matches on RAW. Therefore he shouldn't be on the list, I would think. ekedolphin 08:07, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

While true I don't believe WWE is recognizing that he was Bischoff's lackey. That's how WWE works. They'll just assume we'll forget.

Johhny Nitro won the tag title on his 2nd week on SmackDown. Does that count as a debut?--web_kai2000 12:25, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

He was not in a match before then so yes it would count as his in ring debut... if it was his first match but he had been Bischoff's lackey prior to that

Why the hell are we talking about Johnny Nitro? This is Carlito's talk page, not Johnny Nitro.--Ed-kipedia

[edit] Finishing Move

I'm not sure how many people read the discussion page, but I think it would be best to debate Carlito's finishing move and its name here rather than endless alterations to the article.

I believe Carlito's finisher is currently an unnamed Rolling Cutter. WWE.com claims his finisher is a Modified Swinging Neck Breaker, but I believe they had this listed back when Carlito debuted as Carlito Caribbean Cool and used this move.

It would be illogical for "Modified Swinging Neck Breaker" to describe his recent finisher as it is a cutter, not a neck breaker. Moreover, it makes perfect sense for "Modified Swinging Neck Breaker" to refer to his older move, the Overdrive, as that is a neck breaker.

So, in summary: 1) "Modified Swinging Neck Breaker" was a description used when Carlito used a different move. 2) Carlito's older move is a neck breaker, just like the "Modified Swinging Neck Breaker". 3) Carlito's current move is a cutter, not a neck breaker. ~WikiFew

• No, back when he was using the Overdrive (He called it the Cool-Breaker) as a finisher, his WWE.com profile listed his finishing move as, indeed, the Cool-Breaker. It was changed to what it is now when he started using the Rolling Cutter. 82.80.43.104 18:17, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

on a side note a "Cutter" is indeed a neckbreaker (an inverted neckbreaker in fact) --- Paulley 14:03, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The modified swinging neckbreaker is the rolling cutter because the modified part referse to the fact it is reversed.His current finisher is the Backcracker

[edit] Carlito's Lifting Reverse STO.

Isn't it a reverse side slam? A regular side slam is a lifting STO, any way you slice it. Wouldn't his move better be listed as a reverse side slam, and perhaps a section in Powerslam made? Or would be it too non-notable? Methnor 13:35, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

No it is in fact a lifting reverse STO, Carlito applies the front STO hold lifts the opponent up into an elevated hold and drops the opponent with the complete shot. Shelton Benjamin has been known for using a Reverse Side Slam, this however is a different move.

[edit] Text Cleanup

I did a major cleanup in the WWE section, summarizing the main arc of Carlito's career. I am begging you, my colleagues, do not be tempted to start the "On the _____ edition of RAW, Carlito did this (insert 85 paragraphs of meaningless detail)" up again! Just because something happens does not mean it needs to be in Wikipedia. Bcarlson33 20:18, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I saw plenty of this, however, I did not finish. Thanks, man. Jman5 06:43, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I think this is a prototype wrestler page. Perfect balance achieved. Two thumbs up. Eenu (talk) 10:46, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moved

I decided to change the page name to Carlito. He is known under that name far more than any other name. OsFan 13:49, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

not a very good idea if you dont intend tyo clean up redirects... im moving back most wrestlers are put under there real names as carlito a=is only a gimmick and he hasn't had t for that long --- 88.109.12.79 13:58, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Please learn to speak/type in English. I can't understand anything you wrote after the redirect portion. As far as the redirects go, someone could easily handle that, or I could investigate that, but since I am very busy on Wikipedia, I'm sure someone could contribute. 144.126.76.14 23:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The previous comment was said by user: OsFan

i would have to agree, its a short lived stage name --- Paulley 14:01, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Referring to the article as Carlito makes the most sense because that is what the guy is known by. How many people know the guy's real name? I would imagine that if there is/was a way to track how a guy is searched, Carlito would turn up the most. The guy has had the gimmick for a long while now, and I see him keeping it in the forseeable future.144.126.76.14 23:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The previous comment was said by user: OsFan

[edit] Funny

Hilarious that no one has the balls to address what I said. OsFan 14:15, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

This isn't a pro wrestling show, so there's no need to be so argumentative. A redirect to this page for Carlito is fine, but it would be a mistake to rename the page after a relatively new gimmick. Bcarlson33 17:27, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay. I'll let it go. I'd like to apologize for being immature. I should have gotten a consensus before doing the move. OsFan 12:44, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fan names section

This is a section from the Revision as of 17:12, 7 April 2006

==Finishing and signature moves==

• Modified swinging neckbreaker
• Overdrive - unofficially named the Cool Breaker by commentators on WWE Velocity.
• Figure four leglock - in OVW
• Double knee backbreaker - unofficially named the Backcracker by Joey Styles.
• Double springboard turning somersault senton splash
• Lifting reverse STO
• Somersault senton splash
• DDT
• Spinebuster

===Fan names===

Though Carlito has yet to offically name most of his signature moves many of Carlito's fans have referred to them under a variety of names:

• "Carlito's Way" (DDT)
• "Cool Crunch" (Lifting reverse STO)
• "Cool Cutter" (Modified swinging neckbreaker)
• "Twisty McDeathSault" (Double springboard turning somersault senton splash)
• "Apple Of My Eye" (Modified swinging neckbreaker)
• "Caribbean Twist" (Modified swinging neckbreaker)
• "Cabana Twist" (Modified swinging neckbreaker)

Though BionicWilliam believes this isnt needed... but i think it is... it gives good information on the offical names and unofficial names the moves are referred as... even detailing the names used by announcers (which are not offical; as correctly stated User:88.153.48.54 "even Joey Styles said it wasn't the official name, and that's just what he calls it.") Another good reason to keep the section is that it stops the adding of incorrect information on the move names which takes up most of the edits on this page.. on that note i wouls also like to say the vary next edit after BionicWilliam removed the section was the poor attempt of adding names of each move which for the most part were unofficial (see here) --- I just wanted to see what everyone else thought about it and see if we could have a vote too keep it or not --- Paulley 14:10, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

The Reson I think the Fans Names is un nessacry is that it's not used in any other Wikipedia Article, About the finishers I see what your saying but usually what an annoucers call a move is better thenn what IWC calls it since the IWC never has the same opinion on anything. WWE.com is not the best resource for what finishers are called since they rarely update there stars statboxes or finishers. Until Carlito or WWE (by the Website,Fantasy or Magazines) states what his moves are called they should be left generic. BionicWilliam 18:15, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Well i wouldn't mind leaving them generic but its everyone else that wont seem to leave it alone.. plus "fan names" is in use in other articles (see Amy Dumas) --- Paulley 13:50, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

A little after Carlito started using his rolling cutter regularly, WWE.com updated his finisher to "Modified swinging neckbreaker", before that it was "Cool-Breaker". I'd say WWE.com is official enough. 88.153.48.54 06:35, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Well if that is true then yes you can put that the Overdrive's name was Cool-Breaker --- Paulley 12:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Backcracker.

For christ's sake, people, stop changing the Double-knee backbreaker's name to Backcracker. Shortly after Styles started commentating on RAW, he said it during one of Carlito's matches. Lawler went "...Backcracker?", Styles said "Well, it's not the official name, but that's what I call it".

If any other wrestler was to use that move during a match that Styles was commentating, he'd call it a Backcracker. 84.94.186.44 14:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Yea, i have made a note of it in the trivia section andi will add something to the hidden text to direct editors their --- Paulley 20:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

We are right in thinking that Styles would use that description for any wrestler that uses the move so that actually gives us caus to put Backcraker on the move list but not as a name but as a move description (basically without the itallics). Like "Stunner" and "Cutter", Backcraker can be considered a quick term to replace the techniqual standard i.e Cutter and Stunner = Three Quater Facelock Bulldog/Jawbreaker (respectively) while Backcraker = Double-knee Backbreaker.

So if Carlito was to one day name the move we could write it like this

• Cool-Craker (Backcraker)

I would prefer to see OJ, Striker, or Dupree use the move and have it called the backcraker before doing this... but i think it is an idea to be considered. --- Paulley 09:43, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

For God's sake man! It is cracker! There is another 'c' in it! Back-cracker! It hurts my mind!

I think the issue is now settled since Lawler called it the "Backcracker" when he had to call the Carlito & RVD VS Chris Masters & Sheleton Benjamin tag team match alone on May 1st. Night Bringer 11:58am (GMT +10) May 9th 2006

.*sigh* I'm getting sick and tired of changing it back to double knee backbreaker all the friggin' time. I want a machine that bashes people's heads into their monitor, and then automatically goes to this talk page when it noticed them adding "Backcracker" to the article. I swear, one day I'm going to have an anyurism. 88.155.4.94 09:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, on the Spanish language version of the WWE RAW telecast, the announcers directly refer to Carlito's signature backbreaker move as the "Back Cracker" whenever he does it. --Jtalledo (talk) 17:30, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Apple Origin

On the last RAW, Carlito said that he spit his first apple at his principal for wanting him to not be cool (or something like that.) He was expelled but has always carried an apple since then... is this worth adding to the page?

No. That could just be kayfabe or a twisting of a true story. This kind of material is what bogs down Wikipedia too. OsFan 16:50, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi guys, I know pretty much nothing about wrestling but would be interested to know at least some basic facts. I had a look at the kayfabe article and wasn't able to figure out how, and if, it differs from simply "acting". The issue is: if it's just acting then the article could be much shorter, and if it is something different I am not able to grasp that from the article. Is it just me? --Gennaro Prota 17:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Kayfabe refers to the acting; however the events are portrayed as real. For example, WWE doesn't acknowledge that Stephanie McMahon and Triple H are married, nor do they recognize their influence behind the scenes. In Carlito's case, he could simply be making up history to suit his character. Your question may be better suited for the talk: Kayfabe page, however. I'm going to copy and paste part of the discussion over there. This page is about Carlito OsFan 22:55, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Choice of Lifestyle?

Should his "choice of lifestyle" be noted in trivia? User:Slapslapslap

Choice of lifestyle? At any rate, personal stuff should be added to the personal information section. --Jtalledo (talk) 17:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

O ok. I heard somewhere that Carlito was gay. Is that true? User:Slapslapslap

I haven't heard, and unless a reliable source confirms it, it should not go here. That would be speculation. OsFan 23:07, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Carlito is not gay. Carlito is the ladies man.

Stupid answers.com providing me with false info >:( Debt Jr.

[edit] "personal life" or "trivia"??

does anyone else think that the section called "personal life" should be called "trivia"? it doesn't seem to me like there is anything about his personal life, just little tidbits of info. Katie 01:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Heat"

Why has Carlito been on Heat so much lately? Katie 04:16, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wreckless Intent?

so is carlito ever going to use his theme thats on the wreckless intent album?

[edit] Succession Boxes

How come they were done away with in this article? I've also seen this happen in some other articles as well. OsFan 01:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Some of the members decided to use a list-based format - there was discussion about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Professional Wrestling. I believe the list isn't much of an improvement though. This stuff should be mentioned as prose in the career section. --Jtalledo (talk) 15:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hurricanrana or Frankensteiner?

Carlito started using the Standing headscissors move, but it seems to me that his move is a Frankensteiner since he doesn't pin them, he just throws them away. Thats pretty much the exact definition of a Frankensteiner. Cheers, Dubbya9 06:21, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter anymore, hurricanrana has become the name for any move similiar to it --Trick man01 10:14, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Atlethic Improvement

Do you guys think that his constant and impressive atlethic performance improvement should be noted somewhere in the article? Or do you feel that to be irrelevant? Vicius 17:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

No, it shouldn't. He said in an interview that he's always been capable of doing high-flying moves, and he just didn't use them as much when he was a heel. Mr. Papaya 02:10, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, okay man, thank you very much. Vicius 07:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)