Talk:Cliché
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[edit] New article introduction
When reading this article, I was struck by "often to the point of being rendered meaningless" in the description of cliché. That desn't seem true. Probably the author meant to say "rendered ineffective," or uninteresting. I cannot think of a cliché which has actually become meaningless, in the semantic sense of that word, while by definition clichés have lost their glint of freshness--"meaning" in the sense of importance to us. But that's ambiguous. Rather than simply delete the phrase, though, I've rewritten the intro.
I'm also having trouble with: Cliché often refers to concepts or ideas that are overused despite not really reflecting reality, expressing a kind of self-reproducing prejudice. Anyone care to explain that, and offer example? --NathanHawking 00:18, 2004 Oct 24 (UTC)
Isn't the horror movie cliché of the hero believing they just killed the monster, only for it to come back for one last scare, a better example than the sequel thing?
The author used the phrase 'avoid it like the plague.' Isn't that itself a cliche?
Uh, yeah. That's why he italicized it. He's being funny.
[edit] French origin
The article stated that cliché is the past participle of clicher, onomatopoeia for stereotype.
There is no French verb clicher (apart from a computer-related recent neologism), cliché in French is a name. And as a French native speaker, I've never heard of any onomatopoeia for stereotype.
Ze miguel 18:14, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
The word itself in french is a noun which means the exact same thing as it does now in english - a situation, phrase or idea that has become used so oftne that it has become expected to be used within the same context. It is also an adjective used to mean that the noun it modofied has become cliched.
Xenelia 15:24, 4 May 2006 (EST)
[edit] Should this article name have a diacritic?
See Talk:Flambé. Andrewa 15:32, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, it is the proper way to spell the word and cliche redirects to this article for people who don't know the proper spelling. --The_stuart 17:20, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
This subject has been done to death in on Wikipedia Talk:Naming conventions (use English) there are pages of argument there. It is a subject which has been around for even longer than those archives see this talk page from December 2001.
- The OED records usage not "correctness" that is something the French do.
- It depends if the word is fully anglosised or not. If one was to write hôtel instead of hotel it would usually be considered odd. I would always write cliche not cliché further if a word has not been fully anglicized then I think it should be in italics as in de jure. --Philip Baird Shearer 15:55, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
- I'd just like to note that I have always written it as "cliché" for as long as I can remember. -- MasterXiam 03:17, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
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- The difference betwixt hôtel and cliché is that the circumflex in the former is unnecessary for correct pronunciation, whereas the acute accent in the latter is necessary to prevent it being pronounced “kleich”. Doremítzwr 15:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Why the fuck shouldn't we use the diacritic? Hell the only part that maybe should be changed is the ch>>sh.Cameron Nedland 15:09, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] London Picture example
Are those necessarily cliches? In some contexts they may be a cliche (such as in movie) but normally they'd just be considered traditional items. A persian rug isn't a cliche in Iran for example, nor is fish and chips in London or hamburgers in the US. They are just traditional, as are double-decker busses, and london-style phone booths. Big ben is of course simply a monument, I don't know how its a cliche, except perhaps when its used as a backdrop in movies. But then your talking about movie cliches. (But I suppose when trying to find a suitable picture to illustrate cliche beggars can't be choosers ;)) Brentt 04:52, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Origin
Anyone who may confirm that the term originates from the printing device, also called cliché? --Havreflan 21:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Disney line
I think the example of the Disney film (barring the fact that Disney should be capitalised) is a bit odd in this context. I mean, it basically describes the idea of a "good" or "happy" ending as a cliché. Anyway, the line just seems to hinder understanding of this sometimes complex subject, and I think it ought just be removed outright. Anyone else agree? --Rapturerocks 06:36, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
