Talk:Coinage of Ireland

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If their are no dissenting opinions then I will move this to Coinage of Ireland, as coinage is a better term than coins. Djegan 21:00, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Coins of Ireland. 2 Cleaning up the article 3 Right... 4 British coins with Northern Irish designs must not be included

[edit] Coins of Ireland.

This article is about all the coins of Ireland, not just the coins issued by the Republic of Ireland. However, the coins of Ulster are dealt with in a separate article, Coins of Ulster - (Aidan Work 05:16, 14 December 2005 (UTC))

I have no problem with a Coins of Ireland article, except in so far as it duplicates this article. Any duplication needs to be removed from the Coins of Ireland article (and inserting a link to this article) and any useful information written into this article. As for the Coins of Ulster (Northern Ireland I assume) that is for a separate article. Djegan 09:56, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cleaning up the article

It seems likely this article will be kept (it's a valid historical subject, and the Republic of Ireland coinage cannot cover more than that State's coinage).

I would suggest the coin listings be removed and put into a separate article. Such detailed technical information (mainly of interest just to numenists) unnecessarily clutters up the article and displays a clear editorial (to date) bias towards coin collecting.

The Ulster coinage, even if remaining a separate article - should clearly be covered within this article (just as the Republic of Ireland coinage is).

zoney ♣ talk 13:04, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Agreed on all counts. Djegan 18:40, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Zoney & Djegan, I am a very strong believer in keeping things in sequence.As seen as the Coins of the Republic of Ireland covers a small time period (from 1949), I thought that I had better write an article that covers both periods - Pre-Republican coinage & Republican coinage. Coins of the Republic of Ireland should be merged into this article, not the other way around. - (Aidan Work 06:48, 21 December 2005 (UTC))

Your suggestion either betrays some degree of inexperience in editing here, or an ulterior motive. Coins of the Republic of Ireland is an already quite lengthy article, and the earlier history of coins in Ireland already could do with expansion. With more contributions, it is likely other subarticles will be needed, as the remit of this particular article is quite broad (all coins across history on the island of Ireland).

Furthermore, I think it likely that particular technical details of coin issues will need to be removed to subarticles as well (an attempt could first be made to condense the information in summary tabular form).

zoney ♣ talk 16:48, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Adding to what Zoney has stated Coinage of the Republic of Ireland is not, and never has being, just for Republic of Ireland information - it is for the Irish Free State and Ireland(Eire) as well. Articles in the form "xyz of the Republic of Ireland" do not start on the enactment of the Republic of Ireland Act, 1948 and nor should they - these predecessor states are included otherwise we would create a very artificial and false barrier, see succession of states. Their are many precedents on wikipedia for this. A Coins of Ireland article must only deal with information before the partition of Ireland and not after.

Djegan 19:08, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Disagree - this is clearly a broad parent article, and should also contain a summary of the Republic of Ireland (or Irish state) article. All time periods should be summarised in this article.

zoney ♣ talk 17:18, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough for a summary, but just a summary for the IFS/EIRE/ROI; viz a link and brief paragraph.

Djegan 18:30, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Right...

I've given a stab at this. Don't like the idea of it being needed, but still...

1. Republic of Ireland and Euro section was inaccurate beyond belief, and a duplicate of Coinage of the Republic of Ireland, so just redirect
2. Remove references to coins-that-weren't. NI Ecu's and IRA-issued fundraising "coins" aren't coins
3. Remove general unionist POV about the thing - theres absolutely no need to mention the Twelvth, etc.
4. Totally rewrote intro
5. Put reference to NI's use of UK coinage to the article, it was in the old intro

I still don't like the article as a whole, but it should be a bit better now... --Kiand 01:52, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] British coins with Northern Irish designs must not be included

As these are British coins, they should not be included in this article, which is on Irish coinage.

Northern Ireland is on the island of Ireland, Aidan. BTW, you're still banned. --Kiand 06:17, 12 February 2006 (UTC)