Portal talk:College football

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Contents 1 Couple Questions 2 Selected Image 3 Quotes 4 University names 5 Suggestion

[edit] Couple Questions

Glad to see the portal was approved. Couple questions as I've never really dealt with portals. Who decides the information in the portal? How do we suggest new information? How would I suggest new quotes?--NMajdan•talk 12:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Nevertheless, here is a suggested quote: "We want to build a university of which the football team can be proud." -OU President George Lynn Cross to Oklahoma state legislature. --NMajdan

I think we'd need sources for quotes. --Mecu 16:00, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't see any citations for the current one. But I'll find one for mine. I have a book by George Lynn Cross called President's Can't Punt and I'm almost positive he mentioned it in there. Oh, and here is a link to part of an old Time magazine article on it.--NMajdan•talk 16:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Do you like the first version? I thought at first there were no comments because I was looking over at the WikiProject and I didn't think to come here right away. Here are some thoughts I have about organization, etc.

1. Portals tend to have an "organizer" but that is fairly loose as of course no one person owns the portal. My personal idea of portals is that anyone should feel free to update sections like Current Events and DYK, so long as they follow the format. The organizer tries to ensure that the selected content (selected article, selected picture, selected biography) gets changed out periodically: Not so slowly as to get stale, not so quickly that no one gets a chance to see it before it is gone. I'd suggest about once a week, but we can vary as we see what works. I'm happy to play the organizer role for a while if no one objects. If others are interested in taking a hand, we can switch off that role.
2. Each section of the Portal (like Quotes) has its own Talk page, but I suggest we discuss here until this page gets so much attention that it becomes necesary to fragment the discussions.
3. I agree Quotes should have references. I too a little shortcut in creating this portal and I borrowed the selected picture and selected quote from the American Football Portal. The quote should be easy to source with a little work, or better yet, we can replace it immediately with one of our own.
4. The selected picture is a little harder. Images for the portal have to be free images, no fair use, due to Wikipedia:Fair use, which prohibits fair use images outside of the namespace. I thought the Rose Bowl was entirely appropriate for us, and it is a free image as a work of a US govt employee, so I went with the picture and added different verbiage. There are a few free college football images at Commons:College football, but not that many.
5. Naturally, the design of this Portal is something I just did. Everything is up for discussion as far as colors, placement of the boxes, etc. I made some decisions based upon what has seemed to work at other portals I've helped with. I have left this tagged "Under Construction" until other people have had a chance to suggest refinements to the design. I did list it at the community signpost to hopefully get attention from more people. Johntex\^talk 09:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

We need to create a college football category in the commons. I have some pictures of the OU stadium I could tag but having a category would be beneficial. I don't know if creating categories in the Commons is as strict as here.--NMajdan•talk 13:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, I made a college football category. I placed the college football article into the college football category. I placed the college football category inside the American football category. Please note that commons places a premium on putting the photo into commons articles (which are basically photo galleries) vs just into categories. The reason for this is that when putting them into an article, you can group them, add descriptions to them, etc. Please see The college football article, and then compare it to the college football category it lives in and you will see what I mean. Johntex\^talk 14:18, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I discovered the USGS http://seamless.usgs.gov/website/seamless/viewer.php so we can grab images from it and use them on Commons. I grabbed Image:Folsom Field.JPG so it'll be the test image to see if it sticks (but I can't see that it won't). Some areas using the viewer aren't in color, so I don't think we should use those images. The viewer isn't the easiest thing to use though, so I might write some directions later on how to use it to get an image you want. --MECU≈talk 16:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Done. Someone please run through it and provide feedback. Thank you. User:Mecu/USGSSeamlessViewer --MECU≈talk 18:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Selected Image

Image:Jones SBC Stadium.jpg It's not showing up for me unless I go to the image page and click on a link there. Is anyone else having this problem? All other images a showing up fine for me. --MECU≈talk 16:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm - that is strange. I tested it on a second browser and it still looks good to me. I just tweaked the size from 300px to 250. Can you please hit refresh and see if anything changes for you? If so, you might edit it back to 300px, hit refresh again, and see if the problem re-appears or not. Johntex\^talk 16:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Still nothing. At least it's just me. --MECU≈talk 16:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Looks good to me as well. Have you scaaned your computer for errors? That could be the cause of this problem. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 18:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't showup for me on my home PC or work PC. Must be something in my settings there at Wikipedia? --MECU≈talk 01:43, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Just my adblocker it seems. If I click to specifically allow the image, it then shows up. At least it's solved. --MECU≈talk 19:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quotes

I looked at WikiQuote and most of those aren't cited. Not that we should lower our standards, but how do we go about getting a quote listed? Do I just add it to the list, or is there somewhere where we can develop a pool of quotes to draw from that I add it to? Here's some for the meanwhile: --MECU≈talk 17:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Mecu, that is great! Thanks for finding these. As to how to add them, if I understood the proceedure over there, the article I created probably would not be up for deletion.  ;-) Seriously though, sourced is always better than unsourced, but they do have lots of quotes over there that are not sourced. I think it would be enormously helpful if you would go create an account and add these in, and if you could make a note on the AfD page that you have done so that would be even better. Maybe if they see multiple people contributing to the article they will agree it is notable enough to be kept. Thanks! Johntex\^talk 19:04, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Done. I removed them here. Please go there for quotes: q:College football --MECU≈talk 23:50, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] University names

Just a quick question about University names. I've started to contribute to "Did you Know" and I was wondering if it makes sense to use the school names as football fans know them- example: a football fan would know that "Pitt" means "University of Pittsburg" "Michigan" means "University of Michigan", etc. but a non-fan might not be aware of these (although most people in Pennsyvania call the Univerisy Pitt, for instance, someone who is not a football fan might not know). Just some thoughts so we can all be consistent. Obviously, we wouldn't want to use "U of M"- which could be Miami, Michigan, Maryland or use USC which could be Southern Cal or South Carolina- although those uses might be appropriate in individual articles. And what about UCF, UTEP, UNLV, etc. Most fans would know those, but a non fan might be confused. Jcam 09:26, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Once the school is introduced, and an acronym given for it, it's okay to then use it throughout the article. Further, with wikilinking, we can take shortcuts and if the user is uncertain whom we are talking about, they can just click. For example: I went to a Colorado football game a few years ago and it was fun. Or: I attended the University of Colorado at Boulder (CU). CU was lots of fun and tough. I have come accross some articles that have introduced the school names okay, but then they would switch to using the mascot/nickname and a non-knower would be confused. Something like: Stanford is doing horrible this season. The Cardinal probably won't make a bowl game. Sure, you could wikilink Cardinal, if that article exists. In short, if you introduce it in the article before hand, I think it's okay to use it. Good example: The Colorado (CU) Buffaloes football team is 0-5 this year so far. CU plays the Baylor (BU) Bears this week and are even favored to win, despite CU being 0-5 and BU being 2-3. The Bears have only won one Big 12 Conference road game ever. Clarity is important. --MECU≈talk 12:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion

The DYK section seems to be getting a bit long. Perhaps cut it down to at most 6-7 DYK facts and add a new section. My idea is a section with "random college football records" with various college football statistical records (team or individual) in them. Thoughts ? Jcam 06:07, 31 October 2006 (UTC)