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fanciful?

The following text was removed from the general article for the simple reason of it being controversial and somewhat opinionated (hence the need for the word "fanciful" Also, the statement "appears to be" does not work as a factual device, and therefore should be left to discussion, not to the actual wikipedia entry.

The fanciful idea that he married a so-called "Giselle de Razes" and fathered a line of "secret Merovingians" at Rennes-le-Chateau appears to be a complete fabrication. There is no primary evidence for such a person or such a marriage.


The anonymous above also removed the following reference to primary sources for this article:

"The Austrasian kinglists, Liber historiae Francorum (written in 737), chapter 43, and the Vita of Wilfrid are the primary sources.

The following has also been excised: ""Grimoald seized the throne in order to secure it for his own son, and cut Dagobert's hair, thus marking him unfit for kingship..."

Isn't this the very reason for tonsuring him, instead of simply shutting him away? It hadn't occured to me that this remark would be considered original: the "long-haired kings" are familiar enough—could someone think it was a fashion statement? See J. Hoyaux, "Reges criniti: chevelures, tonsures et scalps chez les Mérovingiens," Revue belge de philologie et d'histoire, 26 (1948). Isn't this also covered by J. M. Wallace-Hadrill, The Long-Haired Kings and Other Essays (London, 1962)? --Wetman 10:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

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