Talk:Doctor of the Church
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[edit] Nationality
This column needs major work and changes. St. Basil's nationality most certainly was NOT Turkish. He neither spoke nor understood the language. Furthermore, there were no Turks living in the area at the time, nor was there any Turkish, Ottoman, or Seljuk kingdom, principality, emirate, khanate, province, colony, city or any other kind of unit there at this time. St. Ambrose was NOT Italian. He might have considered himself, and been considered in turn, Roman or Latin, but not Italian.
The table either needs to change the name of the column to something like "Current nation in which place of birth is located" or the information in the column needs to reflect the understanding of nationality/ethnicity that existed at the times of these various saints.
There's also a lot of inconsistency. St. Jerome's nationality is listed as "Dalmatian", but there is no nation of Dalmatia today. Despite that, this makes good sense as "Dalmatian" more closely corresponds with the ethnic/national categories of his time than "Croatian" or "Serbian" or "Yugoslav". St. Isidore's nationality of Visigothic likewise fails to correspond with any of today's nationalities, but that's actually not a problem since it does correspond with the nationalities in use at his time.
My suggestion? In this column, first give the nationality that the person in question most likely would have used to describe himself or herself. Many of these will be more closely tied with place of birth (natio) than with current nation states, but that's actually good as it's more accurate. Second, give the name of which of today's nation states this birthplace now lies in. I think, for example, that the first datum for all of the "Italian" saints should NOT be Italy, but rather the name of the republic, empire, kingdom, duchy or whatever they were born in and identified as their nationality. Interlingua talk email 14:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Traditional Catholics" and women Doctors
A user added material claiming that "the traditional Catholics" reject the addition of the three women Doctors from 1970 on. That statement has been progressively toned down, to "most traditional Catholics", then "many", and finally "some". The effect, though, is to make the statement very weasel-wordish, and in the absence of a reputable source (and a clear definition of who does and who doesn't count as a "traditional(ist) Catholic"), the article is far better off without the statement however phrased, so I have taken the liberty of removing it. Vilĉjo 22:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
