Wikipedia talk:Featured portal candidates

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Contents 1 Nomination length 2 supporting personal portals 3 Time to promote 4 800x600 5 More promotions or failures? 6 Proposed change to Wikipedia:What is a featured portal? 7 What should happen in a discussion in order to promote a Portal? 8 Portal:Portugal 9 Time limit 10 Promotions, wikibreaks, and so forth 11 Peer review type thing

[edit] Nomination length

I'm curious what the length of time is for voting on featured portals? 8 days? 14? It doesn't say here... Jon 04:51, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Um...pick a number? I'll enquire as to the time limit on FAC. Given this a new proccess, a time limit might not be yet appropriate. Perhaps we'll sort of 'fall' into a time limit.--cj | talk 08:27, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

FAC doesn't have a specific time, but most nominations there are up for about a week or two. The lack of a specific time period allows the moderator to quickly promote articles with wide support or to let the discussions progress to their conclusion when there is some dissent. Slambo (Speak) 11:50, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] supporting personal portals

What is people's view on voting on your own portal. I have noticed people have voiced their support for portals they have created, but I really don't feel right doing that for P:L... can someone please determine whether self-voting is okay or not. Deano 17:59, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

As long as we get full disclosure, I don't see a problem with self-nom or self-vote (like in my own nomination I stated that I created the Trains portal and that I maintain it on a daily basis). FAC has done quite well with self-noms and self-votes for some time. Many editors might not see worthy candidates because they are out of their own realms of expertise. Slambo (Speak) 20:34, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I really don't see a problem here. Even if most commenters were from the related WikiProject, I wouldn't be concerned - and I wouldn't be surprised if such commenters had useful comments from improvement. Also, remember it's not quite a vote. It's quite possible to have a "killer" oppose (for example, if some of the key criteria are simple not met), or if, despite lots of positive votes, it is clear to anyone neutral on the subject that the portal is crap, jguk 08:12, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Time to promote

Is 10 days enough time to say that we should now promote Portal:Cricket, or should we give it a fortnight? Personally, as long as there are at least 4 supports, not more than one oppose and no killer oppose, I think 10 days is enough (and is what we use on WP:FLC), but I'm reluctant to just promote now myself as I'm the portal's sponsor, jguk 09:03, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Although a fortnight might be a wholer timer, there 5 supports and no opposition suggests the Cricket Portal is ready. I agree it would be a conflict of interest for the candidate's sponser to promote their portal themselves. I'm happy to do it (and will now). Congratulations to the first featured portal!--cj | talk 09:10, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Cyberjunkie.

By the way, it struck me that we need some guidance on what to do when promoting or failing a portal akin to what we have on Featured lists. Eg update log, add to WP:GO, etc. Do others agree? jguk 18:21, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 800x600

I was about to support Portal:London; but then I realized it does not fit in a 800x600 resolution. Should this be a basic requirement of portals as they are the frontpage to an entire subject area? - RoyBoy ⁸⁰⁰ 03:19, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

I'd say yes... but then I have no idea how to do this... could someone let me know and then I'll do it for P:L. Image:Anglo-indian.jpg Deano (Talk) 12:21, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] More promotions or failures?

I noticed Portal:Trains and Portal:Constructed languages have both been on here since 11 Dec 14 Dec respectively. It's been 13 days for the latter and over 14 days for the former. Time to promote/fail? Jon 21:18, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

There are still unresolved issues on these, and it looks like these may be resolved. As long as these issues are still being discussed, and at present they are, let's keep them as candidates. We should be in no particular hurry to promote, and we shouldn't fail candidacies that are on the verge of being successful, jguk 19:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed change to Wikipedia:What is a featured portal?

Please see my proposed change here, jguk 19:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I have some additional proposals forWikipedia:What is a featured portal? and would like some input. Thx in advance :) --Technosphere83 21:31, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

What's different about this and the current one? They look extremely similar. Rlevse 22:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh sorry it's on the talkpage --Technosphere83 00:05, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What should happen in a discussion in order to promote a Portal?

In FLC we find that in order to be promoted, a list needs to be on the candidates page for 10 days and garner 4 supports (including the nominator's). What about FPCAN? What criteria do we use? At this time, the older candidacy is 1 month old. Afonso Silva 08:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

There isn't a set criteria. I close the nominations largely at my own discretion. Part of the reason I leave featured portal candidates open to consideration longer then candidates in like processes is because WP:FPCAN is less visited. Another reason is that this process is essentially dual purpose; with most candidates, we ultimately peer review and assess against criteria. The average candidacy period is around 2-3 weeks. --cj | talk 08:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok. But I think something should be present in the introduction, as in other "F*C". I agree with you, when you say that FPCAn is less visited, so, a longer period should be considered. And, since there is no "Portal peer review", the FPCAN is, currently, the best way to review a Portal. I hope FPCAN participation improves and in the future we can set objective criteria. Cheers! Afonso Silva 10:08, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:Portugal

Can the Portal be promoted? It is listed since June 10 and all issues are solved. Afonso Silva 18:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I think the normal period before promotion is about three weeks, although some portals have spent longer here before promotion even with no objections.-gadfium 20:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I think that's too long. I know I'm a nominator and I have interest in the promotion of a Portal. But from a NPOV, I think 3 weeks is too long, as no other featured content candidacies have to wait so many time before a possible promotion. Lists have a limit of 10 days. Articles, despite not having a limit, usually spend about two weeks, or less. Images spend 7 days. Considering this, and the fact that FPCAN is, perhaps, the less visited featured candidates page, I agree that a slightly larger period, for example, of 2 weeks, is good, more than that, like 6 weeks (e.g. Portal:Free software) is absolutely incomprehensible. A discussion about the time limit should be carried out.Afonso Silva 22:19, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

The New Zealand portal spent four weeks here without any objection which lasted for more than a couple of days, as I recall, until I tapped Cyberjunkie on the shoulder and suggested it was time he promoted it. On the other hand, someone did find a formatting flaw in it shortly afterwards, which only showed up on one browser, but caused some sections to appear blank. I agree there should be some clear guidelines, but I think three weeks is reasonable.-gadfium 23:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Time limit

Should we create a standard, a time limit? I think we should, just like the other "F*C"'s. Three weeks seems good to me, despite being a lot more in comparison to the remaining pages. But I'd support it. Having no time limit is not reasonable. Afonso Silva 20:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, WP:FAC doesn't have any real time limit, since promotions are basically done whenever Raul654 feels it's appropriate. The other F*Cs, on the other hand, have no limit on who does promotions, and so need more formal guidelines to make sure everyone is on the same page in that regard. I guess the real question is whether cyberjunkie is going to be handling all of the promotions personally, or if we want a system more like the the non-FAC pages where anyone—or at least more than one person—could be doing them. Kirill Lokshin 18:55, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree with both systems, I just find a bit stupid that some Portals are listed since early May. But anyway, I hope we can find a solution. Is promoting a Portal a hard task? Afonso Silva 09:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Not really; it's just a question of who would be trusted to make the call of whether consensus had been achieved or not. Kirill Lokshin 11:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I think we can combine a time limit with a single person closing the debates. The time limit would make the page more useful. If candidacies have objections at the time of closing the debate, those candidacies are delisted and the maintainers try again in the future. That's what happens with the remaining featured content candidates. the Free Software Portal is listed since early May, that makes the page seem idle. Afonso Silva 23:12, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi y'all. I do apologise for my rather abrupt Wikibreak; I realise that my absence left a lot of questions with regards to maintenance. I suppose these ought to be cleared up now. I've never asserted that I fulfil an exclusive role, merely that I fulfil informally the functions of a "featured portal director" (or, simply, the role Raul plays at FAC). I came to this position as a consequence of founding "featured portals". I actually expected that Jguk, who was involved early-on, would also assist. So far as I can see it, we have three options, all of which I have no particular issue with: we continue the status quo; we formalise my role; or, we open the field within set guidelines. I don't feel a time limit is appropriate in the 1st or 2nd options, but it might be necessary it the 3rd. --cj | talk 07:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Mmm, if we go with either of the first two options, it might be worthwhile to name (formally or informally) one or more deputies to take over promotions if you go on Wikibreak again. Otherwise, we'll wind up in the same situation of nominations sitting open for months because nobody knows who's supposed to be closing them. Kirill Lokshin 12:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Promotions, wikibreaks, and so forth

Since cyberjunkie appears to be on an actual wikibreak, I've gone ahead and promoted two candidacies (Portal:Politics and Portal:Portugal) and failed one (Portal:Free software). I doubt these promotions will be controversial in of themselves (though I expect I might be surprised here), but I do realize that I'm not the "regular" closer here. Any comments or complaints about my actions would be very welcome.

For the future, however, I think we need to come to some sort of a decision regarding the process used here. Raul654 handles everything personally, but he doesn't go on wikibreaks—ever! We really cannot have nominations sitting open for two months. Kirill Lokshin 04:24, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I think a list of criteria for closing similar to the WP:FLC one is the best option. We define "what is a featured portal", people object or support with basis on that. If in a certain period of time a portal has garnered a certain number of supports, the portal is promoted, otherwise the nominator must try again. Afonso Silva 19:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review type thing

Is there any way i could put Portal:Cetaceans for peer review or something like it so that i can find out things that could be improved on. I don't know about nominating it for FA yet, but i was interested in making it as good as possible. chris_huh 13:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

A few portals have been submitted to the general Wikipedia:Peer review and had satisfactory responses.--cj | talk 05:23, 1 November 2006 (UTC)