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[edit] Re: ps3 revert

Hello there!

Note that the table has other elements (Upgrade hard drive, HDMI connection, etc), that do not have images. Nobody knows how a Blu-ray drive is supposed to look, but there is no image in the Blu-ray drive section of the table. That is because the focus of the table is whether the element exists or not, not how it looks like. Adding an image to show the "silver logo and trim" is considered decorative under the Fair use policy, 8th point. I myself are not completely sure what "silver logo and trim" means, but that does not justify a decorative image unless you create a section in the PlayStation 3 article explaining what the "silver logo and trim" is, why it was created, how the PS3 designers got the idea and why the basic version of the console does not have it. In this specific case, the image would not be decorative, but instead informative. -- ReyBrujo 11:17, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Full Auto 2

Full Auto 2 is only a Timed Exclusive game for the Playstation 3, and it should be listed as such rather than what appears to be a fully exclusive game, regardless of time. Although Sega has only announced the game for the Playstation 3, they have not denied that an Xbox 360 game is in development. You can read about this verification regarding Full Auto 2 at http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=13120

[edit] Devil May Cry 4

At this point in time, Devil May Cry 4 is in development for the Xbox 360 and the Wii, but NOT the Playstation 3!!! Please stop listing this game as a Playstation 3 game! Famitsu Magazine and Devil May Cry Producer Hiroshi Kobayashi have 100% verified that this game is no longer in development for the Playstation 3!

In the May 18, 2006 issue of Famitsu magazine, the Devil May Cry producer Hiroshi Kobayashi revealed that plans had changed drastically for Devil May Cry 4! He said that Devil May Cry 4 will now be released for the Xbox 360 and the Wii, but NOT the Playstation 3! Other "rumor" websites have said that the Playstation 3 version is simply delayed, but as of right now, Capcom's DMC producer has said that it is officially cancelled for the PS3.

Let's just get one thing straight to all of the people who search for Internet information: When you see an article that says, "Update: Kobayashi has confirmed that Devil May Cry 4 is being released exclusively for the Playstation 3," it was from January 20, 2006! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that May 18th, 2006 is a later point in time! This means that as of right now we have received absolute confirmation that Devil May Cry 4 will be released for the Xbox 360 and the Wii, but not the PS3! The new Wikipedia verifiability standard clearly says that you need information like this:

http://www.360-hq.com/modules.php?name=Xbox_Games&op=view&id=280&related_gid=280 http://ps3.qj.net/Sony-to-lose-Devil-May-Cry-exclusivity-/pg/49/aid/41766 http://www.360insider.net/articles/05-18-2006/devil-may-cry-coming-to-xbox-360/

Devil May Cry 4 was nowhere to be seen for the Playstation 3 at the 2006 E3, and its lack of development is the reason why. Kobayashi said that the Xbox 360 version of the game will be just as good if not better than the PS3 trailer shown at the 2005 E3. In the interview, Kobayashi explains that he is not sure about the power of the Playstation 3, but he makes it clear that Devil May Cry 4 on the Xbox 360 will fully maintain all of the expected quality for the game!

The Playstation 3 version of the game is no longer a priority, and it is no longer in development. This should be acknowledged in the proper ways, just like with WWE Smackdown vs Raw 2007 from THQ.

replied on user's talk page. --gatoatigrado 23:06, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: quick question

Hmm... I don't really catch the question. Your example in Firefox shows both fonts with the same size, even when they are nested. Do you want the first one to be bigger than the inner one? -- ReyBrujo 00:11, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, look, at work's computer you are right. At home they were not accumulative. No, no idea about how to do that, the span changes the font size of the line, and the inner span modifies the current size (in this case, the already modified one). You should not use recursive elements, either using one only or closing the previous one before opening a new one. No idea how to "trick" the browser to change that, though. Sorry. -- ReyBrujo 16:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

No, I am guessing it is a problem with the auxiliar libraries it uses for scaling. I don't really find it too bad, it depends on the original size and the scaling factor. -- ReyBrujo 17:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Seeking programmer/techie input

We need your advice at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Sidebar redesign proposal. --Nexus Seven 03:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The way to move pages

Every page has an edit history. That edit history is supposed to stay with an article wherever it goes. That's why we aren't supposed to move articles using cut and paste methods, because it disrupts the page history. In the future, please use the "move" tab at the top of the page. --True Genius 02:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

The above was in reference to Lists of basic topics. --True Genius 02:52, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

okay, sorry. --gatoatigrado 03:06, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please reconsider the merge and remove those ugly merge tags!

Hi G,

After messing around with your proposal, I've come to the conclusion that its structure is not as good as the current top-level pages. I've posted my observations on the proposal's talk page. But, the proposal's heading and border formatting is really good. I was so impressed that I converted most of the top-level pages to your formatting to see what they would look like together, and...

Your formatting looks fantastic on the top-level pages and ties them together nicely in a common theme.

Check them out:

I think you will agree that they would look a lot better without those merge tags on there.

--Nexus Seven 08:21, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I could sure use your help

I've added page skeletons (heading structure) to all the Lists of basic topics. The redlinked lists on that page need links added to their various sections, while many of the other lists have all their links at the bottom of the page, below the skeleton (and need them moved up to their respective headings). The scholar/leader headings are usually misses, and can usually be replaced with a single heading, like: "Notable _________s" or "Influential ___s", or "Famous ____s", depending on what kind of support the topic needs.

I could sure use your help on this. There are dozens of pages in which the links have been shoved to the bottom, which was necessary to place the skeletons (using substitution). It's fairly easy to move the links, but time-consuming. Each of those pages also needs a description added to it's lead section. Usually a couple sentences from the main article works fine for this.

The overall collection is shaping up nicely. Many of the basic lists are finished, and so browse around if you need to see some examples. --Nexus Seven 23:52, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sidebar redesign final vote!

It's that special, special time! No, grandma's not coming over. No, not time to clean out the fridge. It's sidebar redesign voting time! Yes, the community has narrowed it down to 3 different options, and a vote for the same old original sidebar is a choice one could vote for as well. Voting for multiple options is allowed, and discussion on the whole shebang is right there on the vote page itself.

You're probably getting this message because the sidebar fairy (JoeSmack for now) noticed you commented on the project at some time over on at Wikipedia talk:Village pump (proposals)/Sidebar redesign. Lovely. JoeSmack ^Talk 06:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

i don't know a whole ton about programming, but i thank you in helping temper the sidebar redesign code. if there is anything you think i might be able to help with (like testing i suppose if i'm sucky at programming, or something arduous) let me know. JoeSmack ^Talk(p-review!) 02:55, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

oh and hey, saw on transhumanist's talkpage you just started at UC Berkeley. congrats (they didn't like me, i got my degree at UCSC instead). The Starry Plough Pub on the southern side of shattack has a really fucking rad poetry slam night ever wednesday (18+) - highly recommended. lots and lots go, i think its like 5 bucks. JoeSmack ^Talk(p-review!) 04:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:sidebar

"Output of a script I wrote last night" - nice job. How about helping program the sidebar? --gatoatigrado 05:34, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

To implement the new navigation and interact boxes, we should overload buildSidebar() in includes/Skin.php with a function in skins/Monobook.php that looks up MediaWiki:sidebar-monobook instead of MediaWiki:sidebar. For the toolbox a simple reshuffle should suffice.

Proposed contents of MediaWiki:sidebar-monobook:

* navigation
** mainpage|mainpage
** Wikipedia:Featured content|Featured content
** currentevents-url|currentevents
** Wikipedia:Categorical index|Categories
** randompage-url|randompage
* search
** searchbox
* interact
** helppage|help
** portal-url|portal
** Wikipedia:Questions|Questions
** contact-url|contact
** sitesupport-url|sitesupport

The hardest part will be moving the search box code to the new buildSidebar() function.

--DavidH Oz Au 13:42, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Re: PS3 Oblivion

Since when does one of the largest video game magazine publishers become not a reliable source? How many magazines, especially magazines such as the Official PlayStation Magazine, does GameSpot publish? If you have trouble seeing why a video game magazine website, which makes Official PlayStation Magazine, Unnoficial Xbox Magazine, Electronic Gaming Monthly, and more, is not a reliable source, even if it's in an audiocast, then why are you even editing the PS3 page? I seriously suggest that you look at 1up.com, and see why I did what I did. And by the way, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion is the cover of the November issue of the Official PlayStation Magazine, which I already knew, because the same people who made that magazine stated that it was going to be a PS3 launch title. Amish Gramish 22:56, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

replied.

Yes, I did listen to it, and I did listen to the audiocast, and I put 1:14-1:15 because I didn't know the exact seconds or that anyone would be dumb enough to think they would say that it would be on the PS3 in only two seconds, and I forgot what those last part you put on it is.

Yes, I was attacking you personally, by saying how stupid you must be to not know that www.1up.com is the video game website put up by Ziff Davis, which makes a lot of video game magazines, including the magazine that it's on the cover of, Official PlayStation Magazine.

I didn't think there were any people who were that ignorant to not know about how Ziff Davis and all the video game magazines and the website that it owns.

And finally, audiocasts are being made by a lot of people and companies associated directly with the making of video games. Saying what you said about those audiocasts was like saying that all blogs are crap. (Keep in mind that a lot of information video game websites get is from game developer blogs). Amish Gramish 02:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I just was frustrated that someone who was avidly editing the PlayStation 3 page didn't know that 1up.com was the website for that magazine and a bunch of other ones. I am sorry for making those personal attacks against you, but you have to realize that Ziff Davis Media is an official source, because they get the truth before most others do. You should accept the fact that the people that makes a magazine should know what's going to be on the cover (Which is in another audiocast, which says the cover will "blow your mind"), or at least will know what's going to be inside.

I created my own page because I am a musician and I make AMVs, and I wanted to see what would happen if I started my own page on here.

As I stated before, I forgot to put the second marker on there, because I barely see anyone or any company use 1:11:11, and it was in a general area. I know you had to either listen to the whole thing or you may have just skipped ahead, which is what I did because that's what someone posted when I first heard about it, 1:15. Amish Gramish 05:21, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry too. But I have done thousands of hours of research, so I should be a little more cautious when getting mad at people. Well, I'm sorry for wasting your time for all of these hours, and I hope you have a fun time with Wikipedia. Amish Gramish 04:23, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: customize time for signature

[[User:Matt Britt|mattb]] <code>@ {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}}-{{subst:CURRENTMONTH}}-{{subst:CURRENTDAY2}}T{{subst:CURRENTTIME}}Z</code>

Just make sure to sign with three tildes rather than four. -- mattb @ 2006-09-30T01:55Z

[edit] Re:sidebar edit

please leave a note next time you edit the sidebar page. Thanks for trying to help, but your edit isn't the same - note the "$isMonobook = false;" before the second if is evaluated. Using an else will automatically branch at parse/compile time, which is incorrect. The "$isMonobook = false;" is assigned so that if MediaWiki:Monobooksidebar isn't present, it will try the cache for MediaWiki:Sidebar before parsing MediaWiki:Sidebar. --gatoatigrado 03:21, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'm sorry; I honestly thought it was an improvement. I was about to leave on note on your talk page explaining that but living in the "basement" means that when the family gateway goes down I can't leave a reply. It was up there in an edit window and suddenly poof! No more internet. :(--DavidH Oz Au 11:46, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

no problem. --gatoatigrado 16:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

This time I have put the addition for the toolbox on the talk page. :D Can you give it a quick once over and add it with the pretty printing please? Thanks. --DavidH Oz Au 10:44, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your note on 76.16.75.77

Sorry, I was offline when you sent your note. In the meantime, another admin issued a block. If this happens again, a much longer block is in order. If you see it again, please do feel free to contact me; or post it on WP:AIV. — ERcheck (talk) 11:11, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:sidebar done

Everything should work now. The code for the toolbox is much more concise. --gatoatigrado 20:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I filed a bugzilla report. You can find the link on the programming talk page. Please review it yourself. Thank you. --gatoatigrado 20:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Looks good and I can't find anything wrong with it. The only thing missing from the proposal is 'cite this page', however, Special:Cite is not an official part of MediaWiki as you said earlier; the likelihood of its inclusion in MediaWiki's phase3 trunk is remote, so I'm not worried about it. Good job. :) --DavidH Oz Au 12:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Good job indeed. I've been trying to follow the sidebar progress the best I can; what happens now? JoeSmack ^Talk(p-review!) 19:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

How goes this? Anything I/we can do to help? And did anyone ever contact Rob Church to take him up on his offer to help? :) --Quiddity 18:07, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Playstation → Playstation 1

Please follow the instructions at WP:RM to request a possibly controversial page move; I think that some people may object to that move (Playstation → Playstation 1). —Mets501 (talk) 19:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

okay, sorry, I didn't know it would be controversial. --gatoatigrado 20:56, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I'm not positive if it will be controversial, but moving high profile pages should always achieve consensus first. —Mets501 (talk) 00:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

It shouldn't be moved, the console was called playstation and should remain its official name. PsOne is a revised model seperate from the first models and should simply redirct to the playstation article.--64.231.254.95 00:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: what the h***

Cool your jets. I was attempting to revert this simple vandalism. I reverted it only about a minute after you included your edits, so I hadn't yet seen the valid edits you had made. No reason to get in a huff, just fix the problem. -- mattb @ 2006-10-22T02:26Z

um, sorry, it took you 1.16 minutes to click the revert button? I removed the vandalism already. --gatoatigrado 02:28, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't refresh my watch list every 30 seconds nor between every inspection of a suspicious looking edit. Yes, non-trivial delays between new revisions and their becoming apparent to other editors can happen. -- mattb @ 2006-10-22T02:33Z

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[edit] Re: GPL questions

Since you archived that discussion on the PlayStation 3 page and since it's largely irrelevant to that article, I won't continue it there (it's for the best anyway). I'm not sure who your response was directed to, but my comment was not unsubstantiated. From your response it seems that even your own understanding of the GPL's terms may be a little off. I just wanted to address one statement you made:

"And if terra soft needed to modify some of the gpl code, that would have to be made available according to the links you posted above."

TerraSoft would have to make available the source code for modifications to GPL software only if they distribute binary versions of their modified software (which, they do). The misconception I was trying to address was the implication that anyone who packages GPL software is required to make it freely available. That is incorrect. GPL software packagers are required to make the source code available along with the binaries, but they do not have to give away the binaries freely. In practicality they usually do, because any third party could redistribute most of the software that they release anyway. However, there are notable cases in which the authors of GPL software or packages don't give away the binaries for free (XChat Win32, for example). This is still permissable under the GPL.

Anyway, this is just for your information and I hope you'll find useful. Edit: Apologies, I see you haven't actually archived that discussion. It's just as well, though. I've spoken my peace and whether LighthouseJ wants to accept it or continue arguing is no concern of mine. -- mattb @ 2006-11-05T20:20Z

P.S. - I appreciate your concern, but I made no personal attack against LighthouseJ, especially in the section regarding USB device support. If you honestly interpret my annoyed tone in response to his insistance that he made no mistake as regards to GPL interpretation as a personal attack, I suggest you look at some arbitration cases involving real honest-to-goodness personal attacks. Annoyance with people whose egos get in the way of their editing won't likely be construed as a personal attack by most people here. I've been around long enough to see many cases of real personal attacks, so you might want to consider toning down your reactions to little disagreements. -- mattb @ 2006-11-05T20:28Z

It's often better to try to get people to figure out why something is wrong on their own rather than giving them all the answers up front. Sure that's unproductive, but since the original assertion was irrelevant to the article in the first place, I figured I might as well try to get LighthouseJ to do some research on his own. Also, generalizations based on personal experience are common in discussion. If you try to hold casual comments to the same (often ridiculous) verifiability ideal that Wikipedia articles are supposed to adhere to, discussions would be pretty tedious. Anyway, there's really nothing else to say on this matter. I have violated no policies, but I do apologize if my style of response irks you.

Back to the GPL thing. You're right that distributing binaries is a lesser concern. I could point to the fact that even an moderately advanced user may not be able to build given software from source (especially if the authors don't release their build system, or indeed, have one), but that's more or less moot. My contention was simply that the statement that "any package that includes GPL software is required to be freely available" is wrong. I didn't feel the need to explain myself in lurid detail from the beginning because it was not an important issue relating to the article it's far better for people to find out reasons for themselves. If you don't appreciate that standpoint, I'm sorry, but I'm not likely to change my style. -- mattb @ 2006-11-06T15:01Z

[edit] Dear Gatoatigrado

(You may remember me as Nexus Seven)...

I've been assigned a couple of students in Esperanza's admin coaching program, and have set up a Virtual classroom in which anyone can participate, as a student, as a coach, or both. Currently, we are comparing user interfaces, and I was wondering if you'd stop by and share with us what programs/tools/features you use to make use of Wikipedia. And any and all suggestions are also very welcome. We can all learn by each others' example. I hope to see you there. The Transhumanist 11:21, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: questions

Sorry, I saw them but was busy with other things...

First, I'm not the best person to ask about computer architecture details. I can tell you the basics, but it's not my particular area. That being said, yes, having to fetch an instruction from memory is usually much more time consuming than doing any given operation on it. That's largely what caches are for. Branch prediction is useful both in cache design and in superscalar design.

A-weighting is just a curve that seeks to compensate audible frequencies for human hearing sensitivity. It attenuates very low frequencies and very high frequencies and plateaus in a band centered around roughly 6 kHz. In other words, two sounds of the same intensity at different frequencies may have totally different perceived loudness by a human due to the way our ears and brains process sound. All weighting curves do is attempt to account for that. -- mattb @ 2006-11-13T17:02Z

[edit] ps3 criticism

I have responded to your reply on the PS3 talk page. Additionally I don't see how doing the most simple things constitutes research, and note that the theoretical performance of a graphics card you mention is at present a pipe dream - since it cannot be used as a cpu - for instance writeback to memory - how well is this supported - bandwidth in general computing use will be different from simply rasterising from a list. however if you know better please say so thank you.

What the hell is this supposed to mean "your cookbook recipe for a computer isn't always used, nor is it relevant"? Have you got any manners whatsoever? You just seem satisfied with cheap derogatory statements. I suggest you grow up.

lol your criticism is worse and certainly more personal than mine. replied on the talk page, no need to post it on my user talk. thanks. --gatoatigrado 17:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

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