User talk:Gwalla/Archive 1

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Contents 1 Infrogmation's greeting 2 Compliments, complaints, etc. 3 Aspect 4 Category: Professional wrestlers 5 European Union Olympic medals count for 2004 6 Web Comics 7 Kid Radd 8 Mussolini thanks you too 9 Definition of aspects 10 Jerry Remigius Kanagarajah 11 Don Ellis 12 Werewolf: The Whatever 13 Dead horse 14 Wiki addict 15 Nomination for adminship 16 Admin nomination 17 You're a sysop! 18 Comment svp 19 Quarashi 20 Thanks 21 Philip Corner 22 User talk:Maximusnukeage 23 meta:Category:MediaWiki Development 24 Netoholic's archives 25 RFC pages on VfD 26 Article Licensing 27 Language infobox 28 Prowrestling-stub template 29 Ashlee Simpson 30 Sutro Baths 31 Talk:Lists of English words of international origin 32 "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball" and "no futures" 33 Extended template syntax (proposal and prototype) 34 Uploaded WWE Images 35 Pro-Wrestling WikiProject

[edit] Infrogmation's greeting

Hello "Gwalla" and welcome to Wikipedia. A few tips for you:

• Peruse Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers and associated pages, such as
  • Wikipedia:How to edit a page
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• You can experiment in the Wikipedia:Sandbox.
• Sign talk page entries with ~~~~, which is automatically converted to a name and date.
• If you have any questions, see Wikipedia:Help, or you can a question to the Wikipedia:village pump.
• I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian -- Infrogmation 07:02, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Compliments, complaints, etc.

Ah, gwalla! This is Ben from #avalon. Just stumbled upon your userpage and felt like saying "hi". Kairos 07:20, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I saw your post about Professional wrestling in Japan on Requested Translations and did a rough translation. Would you mind checking it? I am no expert on puroresu and might contain some weird statements. Thanks. 朝彦 04:28, Jun 5, 2004 (UTC)

Please use Category:Page description languages as page description languages are not exactly file formats. Thanks Dysprosia 07:36, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I would like to compliment you on your well written entry on the avant-garde manga anthology garo. I updated the information a bit, and hope to eventually get more information on how it fell apart. I really appreciate someone writing about alternative japanese cartooning, because much of the anime and manga community seems more preoccupied with panty shots and giant robots than focusing on the works that give them justification for calling their obsession art.--Neilworms 07:24, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! Actually, most of the important manga anthologies don't have articles yet. I think most editors tend to focus on their favorite artist/series and ignore other aspects of the art and industry. Still, I don't think Wikipedia's handling of manga is that bad—I wouldn't have known anything about la nouvelle manga if it wasn't for WP. I think the biggest problem Wikipedia has regarding anime & manga is the endless proliferation of thingymon articles. — Gwalla | Talk 19:00, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Aspect

aspect (linguistics) and grammatical aspect are now merged (not by me, though I posted the request on WP:DA). -- pne 09:58, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Excellent! I didn't realize there was already a separate grammatical aspect article until I'd already split aspect and done a bunch of link-fixing, and by that point I was kind of sick of it. Thanks! — Gwalla | Talk 22:24, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

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You'll be glad to know I've moved my conlangs to http://wiki.frath.net/ and deleted the old Wikipedia pages. --Trebor, 21:40, 12 July 2004 EST

Ah, good! Thanks, Trebor! — Gwalla | Talk 02:17, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Category: Professional wrestlers

Hi, I had just finished working on the "Professional wrestling slang" category when I noticed you were moving wrestlers from "Professional wrestling" to "Professional wrestlers". Quite a bit of editing work. I had been planning on doing the exact same thing, so since you started from the As and worked down, I started from the Zs and worked up. I stopped after doing the Ms. Thanks, Benc 19:04, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. I noticed that some of the articles I was opening seemed to already have Category:Professional wrestlers set; at first I thought I'd done them already and forgotten! Thanks for doing a lot of the work. — Gwalla | Talk 19:17, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Ah, I had just moved Blade (professional wrestling) to Blading (professional wrestling) and was fixing redirects when I saw it listed on your user page. Once again, we were planning on doing the exact same thing. :-) I followed your suggestion and reorganized the Blading article to focus on the verb. • Benc • 07:27, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Great minds think alike! ;) Thanks for doing that. With your help, the pro wrestling articles are getting a lot better. — Gwalla | Talk 19:20, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] European Union Olympic medals count for 2004

Hi there,

I wonder would you consider reversing your decision to delete this article. I have substantially rewritten it. A united EU team is not going to happen. I've discussed potential EU co-operation towards the olympics, and kept the table. I believe the table is valid, for us Europeans/EUians to see how the area has fared as a whole. Please comment on my talk page if you still feel the article should be deleted.

zoney ███ talk 00:56, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Web Comics

Thanks for the message. Yes, disallowing external links on List of web comics would make a lot of sense: there should be a link in the appropriate article, which would be an incentive to create such an article :-) --Phil | Talk 09:10, Aug 18, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Kid Radd

Hi, thought I'd ask you what in the Kid Radd article strikes you as a NPOV problem. Praising the comic's design? It was nominated for a Cartoonist's Choice Award in Outstanding Technical Achievement in 2003 [http://www.ccawards.com/2003.htm 1.

[edit] Mussolini thanks you too

My goodness! The return of Mussolini. What goes around comes around. You are a true Wikischolar! Thanks so much for the tip of the hat. Ortolan88 22:59, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC) Ortolan88 23:00, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Heh heh! You're welcome! — Gwalla | Talk 04:21, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Definition of aspects

In computer science, an aspect is a part of a program that cross-cuts its core concerns, therefore violating its separation of concerns. In other words, it is needed to complete the program, but is not necessarily specific to the domain the program is written for.

This is so not correct:

• Aspects do actually not violate separation of concerns. They actually enable someone to separate further concerns. E.g. logging IS a concern that would not be separable without aspects. The usual picture is that classes enable vertical separation of concerns while aspects enable horizontal one.

• Regarding the second sentence: Today we do have loads of domain-specific aspects. The property "is not necessarily specific to the domain the program is written for" basically holds for everything and does not separate e.g. the nature of an aspect from the one of a class. — User:Ericbodden

I actually didn't write that. I only split it off from Aspect, which was mostly about grammatical aspect but had a small section on CS aspect so I could turn Aspect into a disambig page. — Gwalla | Talk 17:40, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Jerry Remigius Kanagarajah

You voted and made a statment "Delete," DID YOU DO ANY RESEARCH YOU JUST STATED "Delete" wtih the factual basis THIS IS NOT FAIR WERE WAS YOUR RESEARCH ? you did not state any ? How can you make a decision without looking at the facts, if you did not take your time to look then you have No RIGHT TO VOTE ! If you look at the facts, Prince Jerry Remigius Kanagarajah is legitimate The Official site is http://www.jaffnaroyalfamily.org also he is recongnized by The Southeast Asia Imperial & Royal League

Notable Members of the The Southeast Asia Imperial & Royal League

• H.R.M. King Norodom Sihanouk of Cambodia

• H.R.H. Prince Norodom Ranariddh of Cambodia

• H.I.H. Prince Nguyen Phuc Buu Chanh of Vietnam

• H.R.H. Prince Hso Khan Pha of Yawnghwe

• H.R.H. Prince Mangkra Souvannaphouma of Laos

• H.R.H. Prince Shwebomin of Burma

• H.R.H. Rajah Jerry Remigius Kanagarajah of Jaffna (Sri Lanka)

I am sorry that you are not aware of Southeast Asian Royalty but who is to blame ? That is what this site is about education and spreading knowlegde to the world. If the Southeast Asia Imperial & Royal League have done their research and their council has admitted him as a legitimate then there was a adequate background check on his lineage. I only ask for fairness. Please re-evaluate your vote. tranvanba 23:31, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)

Take a deep breath and calm down. Has he done anything besides be descended from people who once held power? This site makes it pretty clear that Sri Lankan "royalty" is not actually part of government, and the Wikipedia article on Sri Lanka bears out this lack of official status. The aforementioned site also doesn't mention that he has done anything particularly interesting; he has travelled extensively and likes some sports and games. Unless you can establish that he has done something personally notable, I stand by my vote.

At any rate, the article may be a copyright violation, in which case none of the voting is relevant. — Gwalla | Talk 07:15, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

You do not have no right to vote, you do not know what the topic is about, you do not know what is going on in these countries and you have never made any contribution to southeast asia, it is not my fault again that you have not taken a interest in this area of the world.

I have every right to vote. It doesn't work like that.

Furthermore, Prince Jerry Remigius Kanagarajah is a member of Southeast Asia Imperial & Royal League a organization that seeks peace for their nations, Human Rights, and freedom.

This may not be important to you, you also give one view point too, you try to degrade Prince Jerry Remigius Kanagarajah becuase he plays sports does other European Royalty plays sports too? Why is he any less ?

I didn't say it reflected poorly on him, I said it didn't make him notable. There's a difference. He's probably a great guy, but being a great guy does not qualify you for a bio in Wikipedia.

He has been very vocal expressing his beliefs for a peaceful nation in Sri Lanka that has been at war for OVER 30 YEARS ! Did you know that?

What has he done to bring about a peaceful settlement?

Well, also since he is a member of the Southeast Asia Imperial & Royal League there is authorization to establish his biography as a member of this prestigious organization that is a pivotal front for freedom in their homeland that has been filled with war and human rights violations in their nation

In Conclusion if you felt that it was copyright why did you bother to vote your qualifications and your decision process does not hold any weight.

Because I'm not sure it's a copyvio.

As I expressed to you before, if you are interested, please feel free to email anytime I would have been more then welcome to talk to you about it, and spread the knowlegde that has bestowed on me by these fine gentlemen of the world, tran_van_ba@hotmail.com but I ONLY ASK FOR FAIRNESS tranvanba 5:36, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)

I've cast my vote. You can cast yours. That's how it works. Yelling at me isn't going to win you any favors, buddy. — Gwalla | Talk 18:11, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

But you state he is a NON-Notable, Where did you do you research ?

Please see links and re-evaluate than you.

Here are the two links[1][2]. tranvanba 5:36, Sep 12, 2004

The first link leads to two sites other than Wikipedia: the one I was talking about, and one that is simply a genealogical chart. I never cast doubt on his lineage, so that doesn't prove much. The second leads to one site, a BBC commentary page he posted on, which only proves he knows how to use email. — Gwalla | Talk 01:13, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The reason, my name appears also, I have been assigned the Chancellor of the Order of the Dragon of Annam, which is history that was first established in 14th of March 1886 in the ancient Vietnamese city of Hue, by His Majesty, The Imperial Emperor of Vietnam, Emperor Dong-Khanh, ancestor of the current Grand Master, His Imperial Highness Prince Nguyen Phuc Buu Chanh of Vietnam.

tranvanba 5:36, Sep 12, 2004

Meaning you've been honored by yet another ex-royal.

BTW, please don't create a new section every time you reply. Just indent your replies. — Gwalla | Talk 01:13, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Don Ellis

Hi Gwalla, took up your offer and wrote up a piece on Don Ellis for you. Quite interesting, looks like there's a lot more that can be said about him, but hopefully this gets his entry going. Bryce 19:55, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Great! Thanks! — Gwalla | Talk 04:29, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Werewolf: The Whatever

No reason for these minor elements of W:tF backstory to have their own articles.

Was that a deliberate typo? Either way, it's quite funny :). Lacrimosus 04:45, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Not intentional, more of a Freudian slip. Heh heh...I wish I'd thought to do that on purpose. — Gwalla | Talk 20:21, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Dead horse

Just noticed that. Thanks very much. My vote was indeed to delete. Best, [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 22:47, Sep 28, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki addict

Thank you for giving me the link to Wikipedia:Are You a Wikipediholic Test. I'll try the test!--georingo 21:43, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Nomination for adminship

Hello. You don't appear to be an administrator, but I think you should be. If you would like for me to nominate you, I will do so. You may reply here or on my talk page. Regards, Wile E. Heresiarch 17:28, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I would be honored. Thank you! — Gwalla | Talk 17:02, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi Gwalla, I'm glad to hear you'll accept. I'm sorry for the delay. I'll put your nomination up later today. My apologies. Wile E. Heresiarch 18:22, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Gwalla, I've posted your nomination at WP:RFA. Please respond below the nomination to accept. Good luck! Wile E. Heresiarch 20:57, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi Gwalla, I pasted the list of standard questions into the nomination page. If you wish, you may answer the questions there (Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Gwalla). Regards, Wile E. Heresiarch 18:51, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Admin nomination

Hey, thanks for the nice comments and support for my admin nomination! I appreciate it :) - Ta bu shi da yu 06:23, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

You're welcome! I was genuinely surprised to find that you weren't already an admin. — Gwalla | Talk 22:36, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] You're a sysop!

I'm pleased to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. Congratulations!. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 20:49, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I'm honored. — Gwalla | Talk 22:36, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Comment svp

Did you come across Han Chinese clothing recently? Please comment on its Talk. --Menchi 02:48, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Quarashi

The CSD guidelines say "little or no" context. Given that the author couldn't even be bothered to make a complete sentence out of it, I wasn't going to take on the burden of turning his mess into a real article. They do seem to be reasonably popular, so I expect someone will write something that isn't utterly useless in the future. -- Cyrius|✎ 03:07, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you very much for your vote for my adminship. I greatly appreciate your support. ffirehorse 00:15, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Philip Corner

I deleted the category by mistake during an edit conflict. Thanks for the note. Hyacinth 05:17, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] User talk:Maximusnukeage

You're a new sysop, so this may not be known, but protecting User talk:Maximusnukeage is completely improper. If you have a dispute with this user, take it to Village Pump or elsewhere, but leave their user pages alone.

• If he's blanking it, he's read it.
• If its protected, he can't respond and noone can easily contact him.

-- Netoholic @ 03:04, 2004 Oct 28 (UTC)

I discussed this with Gwalla on IRC before it was done. It was decided that the page would be locked so that the notice would remain, however, there would be a subpage which he could respond. I felt (and I think the feeling was mutural) that if the page was not locked, he would likely blank it and continue as he had before. (Since he seemed to disregard the previous warnings). I feel that while the formatting of the notice wasn't what I would of done, the execution was apropriate. --Astronouth7303 20:30, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I'm sorry if what I did was improper. I went on IRC #en.wikipedia to find out what should be done about that user, and this is where the discussion led: leave a message on his talkpage, protect it, and provide a subpage for a response. I know now that this isn't considered an acceptable approach. — Gwalla | Talk 02:21, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] meta:Category:MediaWiki Development

Helló Gwalla, I could read at Bugzilla:364 about a proposal from meta:User:Gwalla. Do you think you shoud add them to meta:Category:MediaWiki Development? Regards Gangleri 22:56, 2004 Nov 9 (UTC)

Ah, I wasn't aware of that category. I'll get right on it. — Gwalla | Talk 23:27, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Netoholic's archives

Hi, sorry to involve you at all in this squabble, but please be aware that Netaholic has been moving my user subpages to his own page and then asking for them to be deleted. Please be careful that he doesn't do this again because they are now actually my pages as I copied and pasted his archives onto my page. Cheers. - Ta bu shi da yu 06:52, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I would like to point out that the were my subpages that I marked for deletion. Ta bu moved them to his space, and deleted the redirects rather than honor my request - something that was not appropriate. He has since created his own archives, which is fine. -- Netoholic @ 07:05, 2004 Nov 12 (UTC)

[edit] RFC pages on VfD

Should RFC pages be placed on VfD to be deleted? I'm considering removing Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Slrubenstein, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jwrosenzweig and Wikipedia:Requests for comment/John Kenney from WP:VFD. Each of them was listed by CheeseDreams. Your comments on whether I should do this would be appreciated. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:45, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

[edit] Language infobox

Hi, Gwalla. I've enjoyed using the infobox for languages, and assume it's your design: so, thanks! Would it be possible to insert a parameter for text colour as some of the background colours don't work well with black text? I realise that every article with the infobox would have to be modified, but I can't see an easier way of allowing it. I might have a go at altering the template (very carefully). Let me know what you think. Gareth Hughes 00:10, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Sounds like a fine idea to me. I can't realy say it was my design: it was just a template-ification of the infobox table used by the WikiProject Language Template. — Gwalla | Talk 00:59, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I think I've done it. I've added {{{fontcolor}}}, and the infoboxes still work without modification, so those that need it can be modified without having to do the whole lot. Gareth Hughes 01:23, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Awesome! — Gwalla | Talk 02:05, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Prowrestling-stub template

Hi Gwalla, thanks for supporting my prowrestling-stub idea and your kind words about my contribs. If you find a better picture for the stub template, feel free to change it; I just couldn't come up with a better one. It might be tricky to find a picture of two wrestlers in a tie-up, say, that would be high enough quality to be recognizable in such a small space, but I agree that it would be more representative than just Rock's headshot. --Chrysaor 23:31, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ashlee Simpson

Good lord. Is he delusional? I can't imagine anyone seriously devoting this much mental energy to defending such an obviously indefensible position. Katefan0 00:44, Feb 24, 2005 (UTC)

I'm still trying to figure out the hyperinclusionists. Are they just trolling, or do they really believe that having separate articles on this sort of ephemeral minutia serves a purpose? — Gwalla | Talk 00:50, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• Sorry about the duplicates! We're getting some server lag over here. Katefan0 00:55, Feb 24, 2005 (UTC)

No problem. Don't worry about it. It was easy enough to fix. — Gwalla | Talk 01:08, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sutro Baths

Nice work on cleaning up the formatting on the Sutro Baths article, and the link to the Lurline Baths. I've been fascinated with the Sutro Baths over a year, visited the site, and talked to people about it, and never once did I ever find any mention of another large indoor swimming establishment nearby. But that's what makes Wikipedia great. Rabit 04:29, 2005 Mar 1 (UTC)

Thanks! I was just wandering through Category:San Francisco history because of another article I was editing, and saw that there should probably be a link. That's another thing that makes Wikipedia great. — Gwalla | Talk 17:23, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Lists of English words of international origin

Help! Xe's putting the dictionaries back in. Uncle G 19:00, 2005 Mar 3 (UTC)

[edit] "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball" and "no futures"

Looking back over this and seeing mostly support, I made a specific proposal in Wikipedia_Talk:What Wikipedia is not. Seeing no comments after several days, I went ahead and put it in.

Existing policy does cover this in principle, but the problem is that people that want to put in articles about a great new video game that's just about to be released, or articles about elements that are yet to be discovered, assert that they are not speculative or unverifiable. I wanted to enumerate some specific kinds of articles that we get fairly frequently and clarify that these are to be considered prima facie inappropriate.

Admittedly, its a long section in WP:NOT that may well be covering around that is implicitly covered already, but I wanted to have it. So far nobody seems to be screaming loudly about it. Dpbsmith (talk) 15:14, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Extended template syntax (proposal and prototype)

Hallo Gwalla,

I liked you suggestions for an extended syntax, and have made a more formal proposal, and have supplied a working prototype. On my test MediaWiki it works really nice. Thanks for your work to gather the ideas for the proposal together. Made the thinking process easier afterwards.

See: Extended template syntax (proposal and prototype)

--brian (no registered user here)

Looks good. I have to say, I prefer my syntax because it looks less programming-language-y (no "endloop" and stuff like that), but hey, whatever works. — Gwalla | Talk 06:39, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes, you are right, in some respects your much shorter writing styles are nicer. However, there are many cases where the longer begin-end sequences helps one to handle larger blocks of text/formatting structures. I did consider to build also a prototype of such short-hand sequences. But completing the code was already a lot of work, and first some feedback is/was required. Which does not look like anyone else likes the idea until now :(. Reference bugzilla link. Will return next week to see if the mood has changed. --brian

Just added my 2 cents to the bugzilla discussion on why this could be a good thing. — Gwalla | Talk 03:58, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Uploaded WWE Images

Quote from WP:CP:
Image:ReyMysterioSpringboardDudley.jpg, Image:ReyMysterioCrossbody.jpg, and Image:EdgeDropKick.jpg are supposedly free for nonprofit educational use. I find this claim dubious. At any rate, that falls under this heading. It's a shame, because the wrestling articles could really benefit from some good illustrations.

True. Just examine the WWE's Terms. "Home use only." Quite a shame, though. The images really do capture the articles they are placed in. That is a beautiful drop kick by Edge... I think if we abide by the "I saw nothing" saying, hopefully, they will stay for a while longer..

I'm interested to what others think. — Guildford 08:27, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Well, if they're copyvios they're copyvios, so they really need to go or else Wikipedia is breaking the law. — Gwalla | Talk 03:58, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, they are kind of troubling too. Paulley seems to tag similar, lower quality images with the {{pd}} tag, which is just as wrong. I was considering retagging these images with the {{fairuse}}, because the WWE doesn't specifically forbid non-commercial, educational usage of the images, but that's shaky as well. We should do something. --Jtalledo (talk) 19:50, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

its very rare i upload images and for the most part i try to avoid WWE pictures, but i just think if other wrestler bio sites are using these pics the im sure we should be able to aswell. I do agree these pictures are on very doggy ground esspecially as they come from the screensaver downloads only avalible on WWE.com, but i really ddo think these picture really serve there perpous well.---- Paulley 20:18, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"Should" is not "can". Just because the WWE turns a blind eye when wrestling fansites use their images does not mean that it's legal to put them on Wikipedia. It certainly does not mean that they are public domain, which only applies in a very narrow set of circumstances (so old that copyright has expired, or explicitly released into the public domain), of which "floating around on the Internet" is not one. See Wikipedia:Copyright FAQ. Uploading copyrighted material to Wikipedia violates the law, and exposes not just yourself but all of Wikipedia to legal liabilities. A case could possibly be made that this is fair use, but it'd be a real long shot, especially if a print version of Wikipedia is ever produced (which I understand is a goal of some in the organization). — Gwalla | Talk 22:35, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough, if i every upload an image i will be more carful about its origin and tag it accordingly---- Paulley 21:42, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pro-Wrestling WikiProject

BTW, does anyone else think a pro wrestling WikiProject may be warranted? — Gwalla | Talk 17:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes, i really think it does, the amount of articals written on the subject is... well put it like this, i have created over 100 articals on the subject alone, and im sure people like yourself have written many more than that. --- Paulley 21:42, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'd say it does. There are certainly enough articles. I'd be willing to be a major contributor. --Chrysaor 22:13, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

One other thing: do you have to propose a WikiProject as you would, say, a stub template, or can you just go ahead and make one? The suggestions for new projects don't mention a voting process. --Chrysaor 22:21, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you just go ahead and do it. There's a template though. — Gwalla | Talk 23:55, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Professional Wrestling is now open for business! — Gwalla | Talk 00:10, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)