Talk:History of Toulouse

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"In the 3rd century BC there came, from Belgium or southern Germany, a Celtic Gallic tribe called the Volcae Tectosages, the first Indo-Europeans to appear in the region. They settled in Tolosa and interbred with the local people..." All the mentions of the Volcae Tectosages in Caesar's Gallic War put them in the east of Gaul, nowhere near Tolosa. I'm putting this excised sentence here, for anyone to put back if they can find a reference connecting this tribe with Tolosa. Wetman 01:12, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

There are so many references that it is impossible to list. In France, it is such a well known fact, it's like saying that the Iberians were in Spain. It is the first time I hear someone saying the opposite. Plus I think the sentence itself answers your question: they indeed were in the east of Gaul (Belgium, Germany), but then moved to southern Gaul. Cesar most often referred to gallic people in a narrow way, citing the name of their local oppidum (town) as their name, so the Volcae Tectosages are always called Tolosates by him. He did not have the scientific appraoch of making larger categorizations as we do today. I think it is modern scientists who can determine that Tolosates were indeed Volcae Tectosages, notably by studying coins, etc.

Anyway, among thousands of other sources (mostly in French I'm afraid), here is one excellent source (in French): http://www.occitania.fr/hist/origin/celte/detail/dr4.htm

According to them, the Volcae divided in two groups, the Tectosages near Toulouse, and the Arécomiques near Nimes. They also say that one group of Volcae Tectosages settled across the Rhine in Germania (maybe the one you read about?), and later settled in the Danube valley, then they fought in Greece, where they captured Delphi. This created confusions among historians, and some enthusiastic 19th century historians were commenting on Toulouse people conquering Delphi!! But modern historians reckon the Volcae Tectosages from Toulouse never left Toulouse, and are not the same as the Volcae Tectosages that conquered Delphi.

I put back the sentence. Hardouin 21:21, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Gothic??

Why systematically replacing the word Germanic with the word Gothic? Gothic people are just a subset of Germanic people after all. The majority of people is quite familiar with the word Germanic, but I fear that many people may not know the word Gothic, or may simply confuse it with the Gothic architecture of cathedrals, or even the "Gothic" subculture of modern teenagers in Europe!! I think we should always leave the terms that are the most generic and that anyone can understand. I am in favor of reverting to Germanic, but I will wait for comments before doing so.

Also, I wonder why deleting the fact that the kings of Castile and present-day Spain descend from the Visigoths. It helped showing the long-term trends of European history. I remind people that the last Visigoth rulers took refuge in Asturias during the Arab conquest, then were rulers of Asturias, then kings of Leon, then kings of Castile, then ultimately kings of Spain. King Juan Carlos can trace back his ancestry to the Visigoth rulers.

Hardouin 22:01, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Late Middle Ages and beyond

Hello, I am the author of the site http://www.corendal.com. I have completed the Middle Age part with the content of my site, which is also available on the French wikipedia. Edits are welcome, my English is not the best.

I like the content of the first paragraphs, up until the 11th century. However, I find these paragraphs a bit too long, I'd like to split them in smaller pieces. That's what I did in my site, with far less details I admit. I am not a good judge as I am certainly vested in my work, so I'll let outsiders do it if they feel the need.

Tdanard

[edit] Toulouse in the 19th and 20th centuries

Did nothing interesting happen in Toulouse between 1814 and 2001? Nothing between those dates is mentioned in the article. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 16:50, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

The article is a work in progress. I wrote everything from beginning to year 1000 after Christ. Then another user added info for period 1000-1800, although there is still more to say about this period. For 1800 till 2000, info will have to be added. Come back in the months and years to come. Hardouin 12:41, 29 September 2005 (UTC)