Talk:Hitler's political beliefs
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I've cleaned up the writing but otherwise left the content as it was. Wyss 08:32, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I've done some more clean-up. -- Mihnea Tudoreanu 12:02, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] liberalism, socialism
Wyss, looking back over the history of edits, at first you supported the language "anti-bourgeois liberalism". When an Anon user changed it to "socialism" (claiming that 'anti-bourgeois liberalism == socialism'), you 'clarified' that by changing it to "cultural socialism". Now you are supporting "anti-socialism" as the language on the page. This is diametrically opposite to the language you supported earlier.
Now, anti-bourgeois liberalism is not even close to the same as cultural socialism. The latter doesn't express his distaste for parliamentary democracy or for a middle class based on the gains of industrial productivity. The term cultural socialism doesn't make any sense, and obscures the economically socialist policies that Hitler advocated--the social safety net, a measure of redistribution, centralized organization of the means of production, etc. He was anti-communist for sure, but not anti-socialist, and calling him culturally socialism obscures that point. —thames 17:05, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
- Hi Thames, I'm sorry, I'm having a crummy day here and I botched it. Can we make it cultural socialism? I didn't notice that had slipped out of the text and either way, your understanding of my less than alert self is way appreciated :) Wyss 17:11, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
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- My concern is that "German cultural socialism" is not something with a specific meaning that can be linked to. Meanwhile, anti-bourgeois liberalism has a more distinct meaning, which can be linked to. I think the latter is more precise, and captures his distaste for parliamentary democracy and the middle class. "German conservatism" is closer to this meaning than "German cultural socialism"--after all, Bismarck was the German conservative who was wary of parliament and supported a welfare state. —thames 17:58, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
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- Readers tend to confuse National socialism with European socialism, the former was as you know the cultural socialism they ostensibly promoted while the later they were quite opposed to, using the term German cultural socialism does solve that. I don't have time to look for sources right now, but I will. I agree that "anti-bourgeois liberalism" may seem more precise, but it's clumsy and halfway misleading since AH himself and lots of Nazis were in many ways bourgeois, so again, anti-cultural liberalism would be a more helpful and accurate term, except it's likely not linkable. This is typical of problems encountered in describing the Nazis btw. So misunderstood because they murdered so many etc. Does it stir any more thoughts? Wyss 18:21, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
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There is no such thing as "cultural socialism" - German or otherwise - that I know of. Let's not coin neologisms here. Anti-bourgeois/cultural liberalism makes sense, but it's still a clumsy term. How about "anti-parliamentarianism"? -- Mihnea Tudoreanu 22:52, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that term captures Hitler's beliefs accurately. "Anti-parliamentarianism" doesn't encompass Hitler's Spenglerian distaste for the city/industry or his celebration of the rural Volkish culture. I don't think "bourgeois liberalism" is a terribly clumsy term. Searching Google Scholar the term gets 514 hits, and both wikipedia and Britannica have articles on the term (bourgeois liberalism and bourgeois liberalism).
[edit] Rename into Hitler's political and religious beliefs?
I want to write a short piece about the religious beliefs of Hitler from the book The Meaning of Hitler. I think this would be a suitable place to do so if it were renamed into Hitler's political and religious beliefs. Can we do that? Does somebody know a better place to write about Hitler's religious beliefs (or the lack of them). thanks Andries 21:32, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
- We could also rename it into Hitler's beliefs, instead of Hitler's political and religious beliefs, or better Hitler's world view. Andries 17:53, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
- I'd say keep them separate, and write your article at Hitler's religious beliefs. In Hitler's case, his politics (AFAIK) didn't come directly out of his religious beliefs, so they don't really belong on the same page. I think Hitler's world view would have to cover lots of other stuff too (eg attitudes to women) some of which are now covered on separate pages, eg Vegetarianism of Adolf Hitler. --Squiddy | (squirt ink?) 19:46, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Aryan race
German or Nordic "Aryans" were at the top of the hierarchy while assigning the bottom orders to Jews, Poles, Russians, Czechs and Roma (Gypsies).
Is this accurate? I thought he viewed East Europeans lower then Nordic Europeans but higher then Gypsies and Jews. Hiter Germanized slavic people into the reich who had Nordic features while Gypsies and Jews were completely excluded.
71.131.245.179 08:49, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
"from each according to his ability to each according to his DEEDS" is what Hitler wanted his "national" socialism to be.
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- Really? Where does he say that? -- Nikodemos 13:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
It only differed from "international" socialism by Hitler's assumption that every race had a secret duty trying to rule over other races. So that in the end the strongest race would survive and the evolution of the human race would proceed in accordence to the natural laws embedded in G-d's creation. Hitler believed that Bolsjewists, Feudalists, Freemacons and Jews favoured their own group members without accounting them for their deeds, which is why he was against them.
PS1: When you study Bolsjewism, Feudalism, Maconry and Jewry, you will find in their official (by themselves validated) writings the confirmation that they indeed condone favouratism of their own group members over others without accounting them for their deeds (also called nepotism or discrimination).
PS2: If G-d created the earth then preservation of the workings of evolution is the same as preserving G-d's creation.
[edit] Hitler's Personal and Sexual Identify Influences
I have removed this section as I think it is largely unsubstantiated, and blaise. For example, the Hitler went on a date and the woman killed herself addition.
The Geli incident is a well documented scandal, yes, but I think it would be more at home in a section about Hitler's psychology, not his Political Beliefs and it is also very poorly constructed and written.
No article should feature POV and tripe like "Too strange to mention here in full detail" is not becoming of a wiki article on Adolf Hitler.
If the original author would like to contribute a higher quality addition in a Psychology of Hitler page - which would still be a POV section in my view, then he or she is entitled to do so. --Jason Hughes 16:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
