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It seems like Wikipedia got rid of its list of famous people who are married interracially. I don't understand why. It was informative and was not meant to be offensive.

Why is the one and only picture depicting interracial relationships in this article an *extremely* racist mammy drawing from the turn of the century? I think this gives an inappropriate first impression of the article.

Les rapports d'Interracial devraient être illégaux.

---Mais pourquoi? J'aime mon mari africain.--Jlkwofie 04:04, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

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"The 1990 Census reports that 17.6% of black marriages occur with whites. Yet, it is found that black men are 2.5 times more likely to be married to a white woman than a black woman to a white man."

For those even small numbers where a black woman is married to a white man, you will find that these marriages are occurring from immigrant black communities (black from Africa and elsewhere). In other words, there is a significant number of marriages are that being counted as "black/white" as a result of this unnoticed trend.

This is interesting because for some reason white males are more likely to marry an African immigrant woman than marry to an African American woman. '''' I am sure the number of black immigrant woman/white is small but it still significant to the subject because it points not only to a trend but also to an interesting characteristic of interracial marriages.''''

What do you guys think? Shiferaw 16:42, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 = 1.1 Expansion into other countries 1.2 Merge & the pseudoscientifical concept of "races" 1.2.1 Update 1.3 Explanation needed 1.4 Ford 2003 1.5 bad taste! 1.6 Some serious work needed here. 1.7 Fictional Couples Listing 1.8 51% more absolute #s of Asian-Am Females than Males? 1.9 Americans Dating Asian Immigrants

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I'd like to see more country data, not just the US. For ex. Canada, Brazil, Britain. The US-centric attitude is very unenlightening, and a broader perspective would be helpful.

I agree. When I went to Britain, it looked like black/white couplings for both sexes were more common than here in the US. Rhesusman 0:01 23 June 2005 (UTC)

The article concentrates too much on Black and White. Elaboration needed on other races.

Agreed on the need for elaboration about other races. If anyone has any information or sources that could be used for this please let me know on my talk page and I will work them into the article. ICanAlwaysChangeThisLater 23:10, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

You're totally right, but how about add it in yourself... I would like to see too,

[edit] Expansion into other countries

Here is a good report on inter-ethnic couples in England and Wales. - 68.33.120.32 00:49, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Merge & the pseudoscientifical concept of "races"

This article should be merged with miscegenation. I don't know what the best term would be, but if "interracial marriage" is de facto a common expression, it tends to make believe that the human species is effectively divided in various "races", an obvious racist lie. Beside, "white" is not a "race", but a color ! Same goes for "Black", "Yellow" and "Green". In latin languages, the word "métissage" in French or "mestizaje" in Spanish has no pejorative value, quite the reverse. Maybe this should be the appropriate name of the entry, since "miscegenation" seems to be of pejorative sense. Or maybe "trans-ethnic marriages" or something like that would be better... Lapaz

You're reading a bit much into this. "Interracial marriage" is the common name used in English, and we use common names. Ambi 05:43, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

And obviously races are not merely "make believe", considering the majority of the worlds biologists and physical anthropolgists believe they exist with well documented information to support such belief. Whatever you call it, there is significant physical differences between ethnic groups and populations, so "inter-racial" or "inter-ethnic" are valid terms. 69.157.121.76 14:15, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

There is greater genetic variety within people groups (so-called "races") than there is between them. The full title of Darwin's book, Origin of the Species by means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of the Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life, reveals the utter barbarism of his world view. The holocaust was a logical next step for Hitler, as was the killing of Australian Aborigines for sale to museums as "missing links". And, yes, "interracial marriage" is the most widely used term in my experience. mikekamrath@no-spam-please-gmail.com

"Miscenegation" is actually the derogatory term; "interracial marriage" is neutral terminology (neither approving nor disapprobing). AnonMoos 21:14, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Update

There seems to be a mistake. You wanted this article merged with miscegenation, right? Well you have proposed the opposite. I'm going to fix it. Aucaman^Talk 07:02, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Explanation needed

I do not quite understand the second sentence in the following quote: "In the 2000 Census, 239,477 BM-WF and 95,831 WM-BF marriages were recorded, again showing the 2.5-1 ratio. But despite this, slightly more white men are married than white women, showing that white women are not as likely to marry interracially.". It seems like a very important point, so could somebody please add an explanation.

[edit] Ford 2003

The article says:

From a recent poll of 1,314 Americans of all races, it was noted that 3 in 10 people are against black-white marriage, but are far more willing to accept white-Hispanic or white-Asian marriages (Ford 2003).

What is "Ford 2003"? An reference is required here. -- Dominus 14:00, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I am Very confused (with a capital V) by the statistics of this piece. I believe they should put in a table or something to make is easier to read!

[edit] bad taste!

The paragraph on 'inter-racial' relationship in nature with the example of butterflies is at best made with good intentions but naive and plainly erring, at worst insulting, and most be taken out. It confuses mating between species and mating wihtin same species. Race among human is a phenotype occurence and has no genotype species- differentation consistent with our socially constructed perception of race. While the definition of species is commonly regarded as being the ability to progenete a healty non-sterile offspring, the species-distinction is often quite blurred among insects - there is however no question that the 'race' distinction tagged by skin colour among humans has little bearing on any significant species distribution. Therefore the example is not appropriate.

best regards.

Like I have said countless times over, today's "mulatto 'movement' " or "internet mulatto 'movement' " ,lol! , (for lack of a better phrase) draws all its esteem from the counterproductive denigration of "black" people and nothing else. I put black in quotes because in the United States "mulatto" and "black" aren't necessarily mutually exclusive concepts. I will go as far to say any power self-identifying "mulattos" have or hope to have will always be in relation to "black" people. But what these "mulattos" fail to realize is that their very existence promotes "race mixing" or encouraging 6'8" Mandingo date, marry, and impregnate 5'3" Mary Sue which whites, no matter how much you cozy up to them and try to delink yourself from blacks, will innately reject and perennially frown upon (I am sure there are black/mulatto men who would take advantage of the "mulatto movement" to sleep with as many white women as possible - white women who were not accessible before). Interestingly, people at the helm of the "mulatto movement" more than likely turn out to be quadroons or octoroons. It's fascinating because there is a hierarchical paradigm that is followed; and what's funny is that I can imagine hexadecaroon's forming a "quadroon movement" that not only denigrated "black" people but "mulatto" people as well. You gotta love this stuff! lol! :-) The hobgoblin 20:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Some serious work needed here.

This article needs some serious reworking. It lacks demographics, and mostly it lacks positive references to interracial relationship and descriptions of practical life situations of interracial couples. Many things in this article points to strange biases, as e.g. the idea of "marrying up" - which in itself could be an 'interesting' wiki piece from some questionable socio-biological perspective, but should be proportionally shadowed by more pertinent issues and thorough description of actually living couples. Not to mention the outer link in the end to some wiki article called "the silent holocaust [sic!]" which at most can be relevant to some outer-fringe conservative and fundamentalist judaists but hardly to interracial marriages in general, whether between 'gentiles' and jews, or for that matter to all the other multitudes of possible interracial marriages. At least it is a reason to put ones guard up against those who have worked this article up to this point. I call for other inputs.

best regards, JKL

"Marriages between Whites and Asians, and particularly light-skinned North East Asians such as Chinese, are often looked upon as being non-controversial interethnic pairings in the United States and is becoming increasingly common (Lange, 2005). Reasons for this are often cited as being because of the great similarity in skin color, and low instances of ethnic strife between Whites and Asians in the U.S. since World War II."

This paragraph is laughable. Asian American females marrying Caucasian males because their skin colors are similar? This is a result, not a cause. It just so happens that their skin colors are of similar shade. Here are more legitimate reasons for the higher instance of Asian American females marrying Caucasian males. 1. the perceived stereotype that Caucasian males are the most powerful economically and most desirable sexually 2. denigration of the Asian-American male as physically short, geeky, unemotional, prideful, and sexually undesirable

And the term "light-skinned" is ridiculous in and of itself. Chinese are not necessarily "light-skinned", and Filipinos outmarry the most among Asian-Americans. Le Anh-Huy 05:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fictional Couples Listing

A listing of fictional couples (many of which are not even fictionally married) adds nothing to the article. It should be removed. I have attempted to do so, but the removal was reverted. It seems to me painfully obvious that a listing of make-believe interracial couples makes little sense in this article, especially where it is placed. A listing of real-life interracial marriages makes sense. Listing TV show characters does not. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.149.226.129 (talk • contribs) 22:24, 29 July 2006.

I was responsible for the revert - I didn't think such a major unilateral change to a controversial topic was appropriate. But I have to say I tend to agree. Perhaps it could be moved to a separate list? --Lo2u ^{(T • C)} 22:28, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

You wanted a new page? Voila -- new page. --ABCxyz, 31 July 2006, 13:32 (UTC)

[edit] 51% more absolute #s of Asian-Am Females than Males?

I couldn't find out where the author got this information, and I checked the 2000 census data, and the male-female ratio is about 94:100, which is certainly not 51% more. Someone want to fix it and/or verify data?

• I found this whole section extremely confusing. Only the black-white section was really clear, because there's actually a set of hard numbers to demonstrate what the ratios actually mean. Also, I think there's a problem with the whole use of the term "Asian" which has become universal, but refers to two distinct racial groups. Just based on people I encounter, it would seem there are a fair number of interracial marriages involving East Asian ethnic groups , but (at least from what I've seen) far fewer involving South Asian ethnic groups. I don't even know what statistics exist which distinguish between them, but I strongly suspect the groups show very different patterns, and averaging them together gives a misleading picture. Fan-1967 03:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Since this article is about interracial marriage rather than inter-ethnic marriage, specific ethnic outmarriage rates should be combined with their racial group when comparing the statistics. If User:Fan-1967 wants to create an inter-ethnic marriage article, a discussion on specific ethnic groups would be welcome there.--Dark Tichondrias 17:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Whoever wrote the whole section about the asian female marrying other races is apprently an asian women because there are several paragraphs that point only to the positive traits of asian women and ignore all other possible marriages.

[edit] Americans Dating Asian Immigrants

What the fuck is this nonsense

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Americans Dating Asian Immigrants

Relationships between immigrant Asian-Indian men and American women must be nurtured. Although Asian-Indian men in the US have traditionally gone back to India to find a wife, this is not always the case today. These types of relationships although small are increasing due to increased US business dealings in India. In a particular case, Veronica had trouble adjusting to her marriage to a recent immigrant from India. Pierre Coda told her to try to have her husband express his feelings more openly with her and to learn more about Indian culture.[12]

Between Americans and immigrant Japanese, relationships are not always as fruitful as they seemed. According to Pierre Coda, Jake a Californian and Kotoyo a recently immigrated Japanese did not have an easy time in a relationship. They had language barriers which impeded their intimacy. Coda claims that in Japan many women from the countryside are forced into arranged marriages and end up unhappy. On the contrary, Coda claims many Japanese women end up unwed due to lack of initiative of Japanese men. Due to a lack of romance in the homeland, Coda claims many Japanese women travel overseas for excitement. Coda suggests men to be more aggressive in their declaration of romantic feelings for Japanese immigrant women since they are not used to the culture or the language and may think negatively of their physical appearence.[13]

who says it must be nutured?

Isn't this supposed to be just information about the subject and not some asian guy's lament on not attracting american women. Whatever I'm taking it out.

keep it so it can be used later in Whineypedia Kransky 10:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)