User talk:Jastrow

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Contents 1 Welcome to the Wikipedia 2 Antinous 3 extrait de la page de Notafish 3.1 blocage 4 Sassanid pics 5 Greek Esclavage 6 Samothrace 7 Prostitution 8 Historiography 9 Women 10 Food in ancient Greece 11 Pella 12 Greek Vases 13 Hi from Coppertwig

[edit] Welcome to the Wikipedia

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Cheers, Sam Spade 08:54, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

Hi Jastrow! Below you will find the info that you posted regarding my ancestor...."Adam of Lone" or "Adam de la Lone" ...anyway where did you find the information? Do you remember? I know his name is found in the Domesday book.....Any help you can give me would be much appreciated.

Adam of Lone, born in 1046, was a commander in the army of William the Conqueror during the invasion of England in 1066.

The role of Adam of Lone was to ensure the expeditionary transport of the 7.000 men of the force of the duke Guillaume through the English Channel for the conquest Norman of England in September 1066. Following the victory with the battle of Hastings and the crowning of Guillaume, Adam of Lone received grounds in reward of his good and faithful services.

As much of Norman invaders, the name of Lone has later was anglicized by its descendants in “Lane”.AdelizaoofNormandy777 01:18, 8 October 2006 (UTC) ----

Jastow.... I am a direct descendent of Adam de la Lone. I have several family books that speak of him. Any additional resources would be much appreciated as our libraries are limited here in the States. I noticed at one time you posted information about said "Adam"...Please share your resources. RegardsAdelizaoofNormandy777 01:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Antinous

Thanks for your comments. I had doubts about the authenticity of the bust because (a) I couldn't find any references to it as spelled, and (b) I didn't see it in the Louvre when I was Antinous-hunting. You have explained those two points. I also thought the hair style looked too feminine for it to be Antinous, who is usually shown as looking slightly older and more masculine than the average catamite, but if it is a late Hellenistic work as you say that would explain the feminising tendency. I also thought the bust looked to be in miraculously good condition to be an authentic ancient work. But maybe the Divine Hadrian is taking care of it. Adam 00:07, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] extrait de la page de Notafish

[edit] blocage

• mon problème

J'ai été bloqué sur la wikipédia francophone. Je suis 193.51.93.89 . Lorsque je veux modifier, je ne peux pas, et il y a marqué que je dois contacter un administrateur. Mais comme je suis bloqué je ne peux pas contacter d'administrateur pour prendre ma défense et demander mon déblocage : on se rend alors compte de l'absurdité injuste qu'implique un blocage. Toutefois en cherchant longuement parmi les administrateurs de la wikipédia francophone quelqu'un qui avait des pages dans d'autres wikipédia que la wikipédia francophone, j'ai fini par te trouver.

• le conflit

Le conflit est à propos de l'article fr:Émeutes de 2005 dans les banlieues françaises. J'y ai mis des informations sur les manifestations à venir et sur des propos célèbres de Lilian Thuram. [1] . Toutes ces informations ont été supprimées par des administrateurs qui les jugent non neutres. Pourtant ces informations sont vraies.

Au sujet des manifestations, j'ai informé d'une manif de gauche, mais j'ai aussi informé de manifestations d'extrême droite. On m'accuse de vouloir faire de la promotion politique mais cela est profondément stupide car je ne peux pas être à la fois d'extrême droite et de gauche.

Au sujet des propos de Lilian Thuram, il s'agit là de propos célèbres qui ont été écrits dans les journaux et entendus à la radio.

• sources

Dans les deux cas on a exigé que je mentionne des sources, ce qui est un scandale. En effet ça ne devrait pas être une obligation de mentionner des sources sur wikipédia : wikipédia se veut d'être une source et non de répéter des sources. L'intérêt de Wikipédia c'est que comme elle regroupe les informations de tous, elle peut dépasser quantitativement n'importe quel journal ou encyclopédie. Exiger des sources fait perdre son intérêt à wikipédia.

Mais admettons qu'il faille mentionner des sources :

D'abord je pense que quelqu'un qui veut censurer les informations devrait faire l'effort au préalable de faire des recherches. Ensuite je constate que beaucoup d'informations figurent dans l'article fr:Émeutes de 2005 dans les banlieues françaises sans que soient mentionnées leurs sources. Je pose la question : pourquoi certaines informations nécessitent des sources et d'autres pas ?

Pire. Après qu'on ait exigé que je mentionne des sources, j'ai cédé et j'ai pris la peine de mentionner des sources. Malgré ça mes informations ont de nouveau été retirées. Tel un caprice, on m'a demandé de préciser encore les sources. J'ai voulu les préciser un peu plus mais j'ai été bloqué, comme si on voulait m'empêcher de préciser les sources.

• conclusion

Les administrateurs qui m'ont bloquée et qui ont censuré les informations que j'ai mises sont des gens partiaux et dangereux au bon développement de wikipédia. Je demande leur révocation.

J'ai subi leur partialité. Je demande à être débloqué dans les plus brefs délais.

Merci de m'avoir lu. Merci d'une réponse rapide, claire et responsable.

• Post-Scriptum

Je dois partir travailler : je ne serais pas sur wikipédia avant ce soir.

Merci de lire les pages suivantes : Citez vos sources et Wikipédia:Ce que Wikipédia n'est pas.

Donc 1)les demandes du/des administrateurs qui ont pris sur eux de vous bloquer ne sont pas des chimères, mais une application des règles. 2) Ils vous avaient avertis très clairement de ce qui se passerait si vous continuiez.

Je respecterai donc leur décision. N'hésitez pas à utiliser votre semaine de blocage pour parcourir les pages concernant la façon dont on doit éditer sur Wikipédia. Cordialement,notafish }<';> 15:49, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

• mes derniers propos

Donc si j'ai bien compris, on est passioné par le fait qu'il y ait eu 54 voitures brûlées tel jour et non pas 55, mais les propos chocs d'un membre du Haut Conseil de l'Intégration, on s'en fout. C'est brillant...

J'ai lu sur la page qui explique qu'il faut citer les sources : Quand des sources extérieures sont consultées pendant l'écriture ou au cours de la vérification d'un article, il apparaît indispensable de fournir une liste de références, livres, articles, ou sites internet. 1/Je prends note du fait que les sources ne doivent être mentionnées seulement lorsque les sources extérieures sont consultées pendant l'écriture ou au cours de la vérification d'un article (il n'est donc pas systématique de devoir mentionner des sources, heureusement pour wikipédia). 2/De toute façon j'ai mentionné mes sources, alors je ne comprends pas ce qu'on me reproche.

J'ai aussi lu ce que wikipédia n'est pas, et je me suis particulièrement intéressé à la partie "ne pas faire de promotion", puisque d'après ce que j'ai compris, c'est ce qu'on me reproche. J'y lis : Mais un article peut, bien sûr, rapporter objectivement ce que disent les promoteurs d'un sujet. L'article regorge de citations de Sarkozy et Cie, par contre, Lilian Thuram et les manifestations (qu'elles soient d'extrême droite ou de gauche) n'ont même pas le droit à 5 lignes.

J'insiste, il y a partialité de la part des administrateurs.

Au fait, puisque j'ai l'obligation de mentionner plus de sources mais que je ne peux pas mentionner plus de sources sur la wikipédia francophone, je vais mentionner deux sources supplémentaires ici même : une au sujet de Thuram et une au sujet de la manifestation.

193.51.93.89 18:05, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sassanid pics

Hi there , thank you so much with your Sassanid art pictures. I as the writer of the Sassanid Empire article would like to ask whether there are more pics ? if so could you please share those ? Amir85 21:53, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greek Esclavage

Merci - my bad - good catch. If you don't mind, I'll post you a quick note when I'm finished to have a look before I post the article formally, just in case I make some other errors like that...Bridesmill 17:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Phew! Translation finished; also found english sources for the quotes (rather than doing three-way translations). I took the liberty of making a few changes in style for anglophone understanding; a very pleasant article to translate; please feel free to edit (just let me know where I screwed up ).Bridesmill 02:26, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Samothrace

Re Arsinoe - yes, I've put in both latter marriages. Re the ship (de de ce) - obviously I was trying to read too much into a typo - the ship type makes perfect sense. Merci encore, Bridesmill 17:00, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prostitution

Thanks to your assistance, Prostitution in Ancient Greece is now there; please feel free to critique. Merci Beaucoup.Bridesmill 15:30, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Historiography

posted this to History of Greece, but not sure if you watch that; I am sure you probably have an opinion on this: I'm involved in some trans from the French wiki; and there are starting to be some conflicts in that the french have a different chronology for the periods (their Archaic = everything pre-6th century BCE, Classical = 510 to 323BCE, & Hellenistic appears to last right to 25AD. Additionally, a lot of our articles which are entitled '(subject in) Ancient Greece' really deal with all of Greek antiquity rather than just 776-323. For the Fr, not a prob - the article titles are '..Greek Antiquity', their periods are Archaic, Classical, Hellenistic But, to reiterate, ours are '...Ancient Greece', of which the Ancient period is but a subset. Two issues then:

1. Should all of such articles be renamed to 'xxx in Greek Antiquity' or alternatively broken down into an article for each period (not practicable or worthwhile in many cases)
2. When translating, should we be paying particular attention to the disjoint in period dates between the two schools, and does that mean we may need to go back and fact-check previous translations from the French (and possibly other langs - I'm not familiar with the historiography though I intend to start reading up on it now) (i.e. when they say "at the beginning of the classical period" that should translate to "in the middle of the Ancient period" - I think the answer for this one is 'YES'.Bridesmill 16:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure you have some thoughts; any hints on a good author for French school hisoriography would be appreciated as well (Being in Kingston, Canada, I have access to a reasonable Fr. collection at the universities) Thanks Bridesmill 02:18, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Have uploaded image to my talk which might explain the issue better.Bridesmill 16:12, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll adjust the graphic to reflect your info, but please be advised I got those dats from the fr:Chronologie_de_la_Grèce_antique, so you have some tweaks to do there . That still does leave us with "your" classique starting halfway throu "our" ancient, and "your" hellénistique ending halfway through "our" Roman. Plus possibly some other disconnects - eek - would love to figure out how this all came to be...Bridesmill 18:02, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Women

Noticed you have an ebauche on the go on Women in Ancient Greece - have here an article from Hypatia entitled "Women Philospophers in the Ancient Greek World:Donning the Mantle" by Kath.Wider (spring '86), as well as History of Education article on training of greek girls, inter alia - please drop me an email if you are interested - have them here as PDFs.Bridesmill 22:28, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

A translation of Hilotes has been done at Helot, for your information/comments. Cheers, Bridesmill 19:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Cole, Susan Guettel. Could Greek women read and write? Wider, Kathleen. "Women philosophers in the Ancient Greek World: Donning the Mantle". Both too big to send - so am using them to create draft of female literacy & philosophers section at User:Bridesmill/Sandbox/Draft, for you to incorporate as desired - will let you know when its done.Bridesmill 00:58, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Food in ancient Greece

I had to wait for a couple of weeks (I was too busy!) but I'm having a look at the English article now. It's very good! I am making some very minor changes, which I hope you'll approve of. I'll let you know when I've finished (two more days maybe) and will be interested to know your reaction. I haven't looked at the French version yet, but I suppose they are still very similar. Thanks for the message -- Andrew Dalby 21:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I still agree with everything I said in Siren Feasts (at least, 99% of it)! I just haven't had cause to quote it as yet in editing Wikipedia. That's how mechanical the compilation of User:Andrew Dalby/Bibliography has been. I often see myself as a food historian, but by no means always. Indeed, when I decided on a life ambition (about 30 years ago) it was to be listed in the Dictionary of National Biography with the description "miscellaneous writer". I didn't, 30 years ago, foresee Wikipedia.

Incidentally, I'm still looking at the Diet of Ancient Greece article (which I still think is excellent, by the way!) and I may yet add a few more items. Feel free to disagree with me, of course. Andrew Dalby 17:59, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pella

Translation question - working on Pella - the Fr has the phrase 'Elle fait l’objet d'une déduction coloniale à une date indéterminée entre 45 av. J.-C. et 30 av. J.-C.' - I'm drawing a blank on how to translate 'déduction coloniale' - any ideas? Thanks Bridesmill 22:29, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greek Vases

Hi, I know you to be an indefatigable photographer of greek vases, so if you have any unpublished pictures you can add to Typology of Greek Vase Shapes I'd be very grateful. Twospoonfuls 14:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi again! Thanks for taking an interest in my article. If it's not too much trouble perhaps you could snap the following - all are on Sully 1st floor:

• hydrie, salle 47, K24, acquisition Coll. Durand 1825
• cratere cloche, salle47, G503, acq. 1835
• lebes, salle 47, K643, acq. coll. Durand 1825
• lebes gamikos, salle 47, MNB2108, acq. 1880
• pyxis, salle 47, CA636, acq. 1895
• askos, salle 47, G446, acq.1879
• amphore type C, salle 46, G220, coll. Campana 1861
• psykter, salle 46, G58, coll. Campana 1861
• amphore nolan, salle 43, G216, legs de witte 1890
• loutrophore, salle 43, CA453, 1891
• amphore type B, salle 42, F33, coll. Camino 1840
• olpe, salle 39, F161, coll. Campana 1861.

I would ask for more, but that would seem greedy  :D. Many thanks. Twospoonfuls 15:21, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you're feeling keen the lecythe gland, Sully, salle 44, MNB 1320, 1878 and the amphore panathenees, Denon, salle 3, MNE 1005, 1994 would be enormously useful. Other than that please do take a picture of any vase form that takes your eye, especially if it is unusual. I know I can rely on your good taste. Twospoonfuls 20:53, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm speechless. All I can say is wow, and thanks.Twospoonfuls 22:43, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi from Coppertwig

Hello, Jastrow. Nice to meet you. Your articles [translated as] Hellenistic Art and Derveni krater were a pleasure to translate: flowing poetic language. Thanks for helping to fix up the translations. --Coppertwig 12:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)