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[edit] Judas Priest: oxymoron
Is Judas Priest an oxymoron? Because Judas is often associatede with Jewish names, but priest is more of a Catholic term. I was wondering if that would be good to put in the article if not, that's cool. Wi-king 06:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
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- It will be original research unless is has proper citations. Anger22 10:12, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] clean edit
Deleted idolizing and redundant material, as well as many inaccuarcies. (such as "Turbo" being a commercial failure - it was certified gold 2 months after release and platinum the following year. (USA). Fans should try to be a bit objective, and not recklessly ejaculate on the screen when they brag about their favorite band.
[edit] unlinkified?
Unlinkified the album titles, in keeping with the policy to discourage "tracklisting" stub articles (articles for albums which have something more substantial to be said about them are fine, and should be linked after the article is written). Delirium 04:42 28 Jun 2003 (UTC)
[edit] British Steel Pop
- "Judas Priest's acclaimed 1980 album British Steel was perhaps the first heavy metal album to be recorded in a concise format with radio-friendly songs with pop hooks..."
Black Sabbath's 'Paranoid', anyone?
- Paranoid is one song from an album very with different material. I can hardly imagine anyone calling "War Pigs", Fairies Wear Boots" or "Electric Funeral" as being 'catchy' or 'poppy'...Www.jpfo.org
- What exactly does "concise format" indicate? That it's a short album? That is has short songs? That was nothing new, even in metal. And as for radio-friendly, how many songs from British Steel received significant airplay on the radio? Any charts from 1980 to back that up? None of the singles from that album charted in the US as far as I know (not sure about the UK). --Cholmes75 21:41, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
- "concise format" basically means "consistently", i.e. that most -if not all- songs were written in a very similar style & set-up; short -as you correctly observed-, most with simple and catchy tunes, and lyrics appealing to teenagers. And by the way, that was something VERY new in metal. Any example of such an album in outright metal? Not that I know of. I'm not saying this to slam the LP, I like it very much, but it absolutely fits the definitoin of "commercial", i.e. that the overall 'feel' and format was geared to increase sales. BTW, quite a few songs charted both in the US and the UK as well as in europe. But regardless of this, a song can be radio friendly without getting any airplay. If the artist recorded them in a way in which he hopes radio stations will play it, (configured like most radio songs) the it is considered radio friendly, even if it flops. That is the case with most recorded music, BTW.
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[edit] Hair / Glam Metal
Whoever keeps on adding Hair and Glam Metal to the subgenres of the band apparently needs to smarten up a little. Even Turbo is quite far from being such musically, synth guitars don't make an album glam.
[edit] Reply : Hair Metal
Hey man, I guess, you are one of those new-age thrashers, who doesn't like the Glam Metal term. Glam metal is NOT a pejorative term. It's a kind of music. And almost every Glam Metal band cites Judas Priest as one of their biggest influence alongside Van Halen and Motley Crue. And what's wrong. They were certainly better than your new-age rappers(whom you wrongly call metal). And Judas Priest certainly wrote some wonderful tracks like Hot rockin, livin after midnite, etc.
[edit] Reply : Hair Metal
Having influenced a genre does not make you a part of it, or else we could freely add thrash, death and black metal to the list of genres under Judas Priest. Examples: all thrash bands cite Priest as their inspiration (Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth, Testament, Destruction, Kreator, etc. etc.); a lot of death metal bands regard Priest as an inspiration (e.g. Death, Morbid Angel, Obituary, Cannibal Corpse, etc., etc.); the two founding bands of the black metal genre - Venom and Mercufyl Fate do so, too (hell, Venom formed after a 1978 Priest concert).
Conclusion: When we're talking about one of the bands that invented heavy metal it is pretty ridiculous to list all the sub-genres they have influenced, whether traditional, speed, thrash, death or black.
[edit] Removal of More on Priest
I removed this section (consisting of Influences, Contempories and Followers) for the following reasons :
1 - These sorts of list are very subjective. 2 - Just about every subsequent metal band cites priest as an influence. 3 - It extends the page without really adding anything useful about the band. Djbrianuk 22:43, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Fact verification necesarry
"Alan Atkins - vocals (1967-1973) - note that the band Judas Priest in which Atins sang between '67 and '69 was a different band."
Someone verify the facts, and change this accordingly. If it is a different band, he does not deserve mention in this article.
[edit] Fact Verified
Check the "Rock Detector" link on the bottom. Atkins was in a band called "Judas Priest". When that band broke up he joined Downing and Hill, and brought the name with him. So Atkins was in both Judas Priests, as you can see.
[edit] Collaborations
The collaboration section does not belong in the main article. The individual collaboration items should be moved to the individual person articles. --Cholmes75 17:34, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] About the subliminal messgaes
I know two messages: The title of "Beyond the Realms of Death" says "I took my life" in reverse, also, in "The Ripper", "A gas lamp" becomes "I am Satan". Does anyone know which words reverse to "do it", "try suicide", and "let's be dead", and what songs they are from? CoolKatt number 99999
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- do it stands in Better by you, better than me David orlovic 15:14, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Beyond the realms of death: I found "I took my life", it sounded right. the Ripper: "A gas lamp" sounds like "I´m a said - duck" there´s clearly a pause in the middle of the "word" "said-duck" It doesn´t sound like "Satan". Better by you, better than me: I couldn´t find the "Do it", I think it was made up by the family/lawyers that sewed Priest, same thing with "try suicide", and "let's be dead". If someone finds them please let us know here. this one is quite funny, If you reverse the chorus in Exciter, Rob clearly sings "I asked for a peppermint, I asked her to get one, I asked for a peppermint" "GoldWave" is a good easy to use free program for checking out your suspected reverse messages. cheers, "Turbo-Lullaby".
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- Did anybody raise at the time how it would have been slightly odd to play records backwards? And the words 'do it' hardly command: "go and commit suicide now". If they did, anyone stupid enough to do so is probably doing the rest of us a favour. During the 80s I used cassettes, which you can't play backwards, and of course now everyone uses CDs, which you can't either. Bad news for the purveyors of suicide-commands in records. Only in America, it would seem .... JRJW 21 December 2005
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- Ah, the issue with subliminal messages is that you don't have to play them backwards for them to filter into your brain, and convince you to go and shoot yourself with a shotgun and miss (like one of the morons that I've seen documented). Hence cassette, vinyl, CD, reel-to-reel, 8-track... doesn't matter. IainP (talk) 15:33, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
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- As to how one played music backwards back then, it had to be done with a vinyl album. You would manually spin the turntable backward by putting your finger on the label on the middle of the "record" and turning it counterclockwise, just like DJ/scratchers do. Remember, bakc then, vinyl LP was the most common format music was released on.
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- Or the good old reel-to-reel. I seem to recall that all the courtroom evidence (or the footage I saw) showed lawyers with these old machines. I assume they'd taped the vinyl version and then played it backwards in tape which is easier than trying to maintain a constant speed by hand on a record player. Either way... what a bunch of desparate, money-grabbing muppets! IainP (talk) 17:34, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] External Links
On January 9, I removed a new external link left by 17.206.43.163. The link was to a "Music Hawk," and it looked like an advertisement. The link was put back by the same user on January 10, with this in the edit summary: "Re-added legitimate external link. If Rock Detector can be on there, so can Music Hawk."
I checked out the Rock Detector link, which seems to be an encyclopedic entry on Priest. The Music Hawk link went to a page with a few avatars of Music Hawk users who like Priest. There is supposedly a discussion area, but there are no messages there. Rather than simply go to a revert war, I thought I'd seek consensus here: Should the Music Hawk link stay or go? I don't know how to link right to the user's contributions page, but it shows that the user has left the same external link on several other bands' articles: The Flower Kings, Neal Morse, and 3 (band), all of which I reverted. Mitchell k dwyer 19:41, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Utterly agree with you. That Music Hawk link's totally pointless. Goes off to revert it himself IainP (talk) 23:00, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Personnel
This list is rather long and just... listy. Would it make sense to cut/paste this to an appropriate separate article and link it from this main page? IainP (talk) 02:07, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
- Sounds like a pretty nice idea to me. --Eel 06:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Alan Moore
Is the comic writer of Constantine, LXG, and V for Vendetta fame really the drummer in those years? Because nothing in his wikipedia entry indicates that.
- i'm almost positive they are two different people. Gringo300 08:10, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] It's no longer an allegation.
"In 2003, former drummer Dave Holland was accused of sexually abusing and attempting to rape a 17-year-old boy who was studying drums with Holland at the time. On January 23, 2004, Holland was found guilty of those charges and others, and on February 13 Holland was sentenced to eight years in British prison for those alleged crimes."
It's a CRIME rather than an ALLEGED CRIME if he was convicted and sentenced, right?
[edit] A new entry
I think that a new entry must be added saying Judas Priest Gave the Rebirth To Heavy Metal and the first band of the NWOBHM.
[edit] Scorpions
the name of the band is Scorpions... not The Scorpions. referring Musical style and influences TommyStardust 09:43, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Best Of Judas Priest - Living After Midnight
'The Best of Judas Priest: Living After Midnight (1997) is a greatest hits album of all their hits such as "Electric Eye", "Turbo Lover", "Living After Midnight", and many other hits. It contains the hits from 1979 through 1988 .'
This appears to be wrong as my 'The Best Of Judas Priest: Living After Midnight' has 'Painkiller', 'A Touch Of Evil' and 'Nightcrawler' on it, all from 1990's album 'Painkiller'.
However, mine does appear to be copyrighted to Sony Music Entertainment in 2002, so is it just a newer version?
Either way, something is amiss.
Tom
[edit] Regarding the album Ram It Down
I know I have absolutely no quotations to back this question up with, I'm just asking because I was intrigued by the whole scenario. The song material recorded for the second part of the double album "Twin Turbo", which later became "Ram It Down", was supposed to include synth guitars. But when "Turbo" received such a lukewarm reception the band decided to scrap the synthesized parts of the overall sound, which made the album sound less commercial according to some fans. Anyhow, my question is this: Was "Ram It Down" supposed to be something of an experiment with power metal before they decided to remove the synthesizers? Is there any hint of this to be found anywhere? Like I said earlier, it's just baseless speculation from my side but if anyone could confirm or deny this I would at least not have to rack my brain over it every time I hear a song from that record.
[edit] Hard Rock
There is a guy that keeps changing the genre of JP from Heavy Metal, Speed Metal, and Power Metal to Heavy Metal and hard rock
- That's because Speed metal and Power metal have been down the Wikipedia concensus road and have been deemed incorrect and rm'd many articles...not just this one. Anger22 21:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
