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[edit] Some thoughts
I have always read that it was Goebbles that took charge and that Himmler was out of the picture for a few crucial hours. Goebbles is apprently on record as expressing distrust of the Reichsfuhrer that night and was the one that was able to convince Major Remer who had been sent to arrest him that Hitler was alive, with Hitler's help. Goebbles had a direct line to Hitler and was able to get him on the phone. Hitler promoted Remer to Colonel on the spot, commanded him to crush the uprising and only to obey the orders of Goebbles, Himmler and General Reinecke. Also read that although the conspirators thought Hitler was dead before Stauffenberg left East Prussia (he phoned Berlin before he left Hitler's HQ) they delayed doing anything till he was back in Berlin and finally that Fromm didn't go to Goebbles right away, it was Speer and Major Remer that came to the Bendlerblock and learned that Fromm had shot the ringleaders. Only after that did Fromm ask to be taken to Goebbles so he could call Hitler and clear his name. Goebbles had him placed undr arrest and it was at that time Himmler finally arrived on the scene and in his capacity as Commander-in-Chief of the Reserve Army gave the order to stop any further summary executions. It's total speculation but I feel Himmler held back to make sure which way the wind was going to blow. It does make sense. Two books that i can recall off the top of my head with detailed accounts are Inside the Third Reich by Speer and The Devil's Disciples by Anthony Read.
One last point..Kinneyboy90 is right. It was just shy of 5000 who perished in the aftermath of the plot and the executions continued right to the end of the war --Jringer 1:34 am EST
I don't know if there's any reliable information available on why Stauffenberg did not deliver the bomb in a reliable fashion, eg. by activating it manually. I think that is a very critical point here and I'm missing it.
Should he had unpack it with only his 3 remaining fingers of his one hand? In front of hitler and his associates? LOL
Actually the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William Shirer has this incident in detail: how he activated the bomb and why it failed to kill Hitler at the critical moment and why the whole plot failed due to lack of co-ordination among the chief conspirators -- Harishan
[edit] I just saw the Bonhoeffer Documentary
I was wondering if anyone has any information on moles within the plots to kill Hitler. An earlier attempt to kill him failed because the bomb didn't go off
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- Little or no evidence of informers. AH was rather shocked that such a wide swath of people had come so close to getting rid of him, which is one reason he had 5000 people killed, including a huge proportion of the German aristocracy. Wyss 15:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Motivation
What, if any, information exists concerning the motives of the conspirators. Was this a power grab, or was it truly a the culmination of a resistance movement? Was it a reaction to a particular act or policy, or a more general protest against Hitler's policy? Did the conspirators only hope to topple Hitler, or did they mean to remove the Nazis from power entirely? --djrobgordon 11:24, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
- Given the fact that there were conspiracies stretching back into the 1930s, and that dozens of conspirators worked in different groupings over the years, I think there isn't one simple answer. My impression (based on more than the article) is that for some, honor was all, for others there was a virulent distaste for Nazism, and for still others they simply feared the cliff that Germany was driving toward. It's probably correct to imagine that had they been united ideologically, they would have made more effective attempts much earlier than they did. --Dhartung | Talk 01:35, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 200 executed?
200 executed? Come on, Hitler had over 4,900 executed, so reports Shirer and several other sources. I think Kershaw was either incorrect, or I'm missing something. Could someone please clear this up. Aaрон Кинни (t) 05:08, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] War Unwinnable?
"It is possible that Himmler, who by late 1943 knew that the war was unwinnable..." I'd like to see a source for that statement. 80.169.138.156 09:35, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
