User talk:Karimarie

Contents 1 On heritage 2 On edits to User talk:130.113.15.57 3 ==Conservative Judaism WikiProject== 4 Thanks for the Tanakh 5 Reversion Orthodox Judaism 6 My Post 7 Jewish services -text and language 8 Your userpage 9 The bad news is.... 10 Zorkfan 11 You can accuse me of bad faith, but that doesn't give you the right to revert my edit. 12 What's your objection to describing Israel as a colony? 13 Linux project banners 14 userboxes 15 In your Honest Oppinion 16 Who the hell do you think you are, Ellen?

[edit] On heritage

Hi Kari, somehow I found your page after looking at some edits. Very nice. About your heritage, and the term "mutt," I use that myself, and sometimes use the description "Fancy Mixed Assortment" (once used to describe a premium grade mix for chocolates, nuts, and candies). It works. I saw that you had only passed through the state of Vermont (my home state). Hope you get to spend more than a few hours there one day. Best, Jim CApitol3 13:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] On edits to User talk:130.113.15.57

Thanks for catching my wiki-typo. :) Justin Eiler 03:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ==Conservative Judaism WikiProject==

Kari, if you are interested in helping me start a WikiProject for Conservative Judaism, let's get started!. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yonkeltron (talk • contribs) .

Part of the "lack of airtime" thing is that the Conservative Jewish viewpoint on issues is not just one of being "in the middle". Also, one of the problems with articles relating to Judaism in general is that Orthodoxy is portrayed as being the only traditionally authentic form of halakhic interpretation and genuine "Jewishness" in general. As such, it is important not only to make the distinction between movements, but also to distinguish between the practices, beliefs and interpretation in the context of halakha. Moreover, articles about Conservative Judaism just need lots of work. --yonkeltron 00:16, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the Tanakh

Good job starting the WikiSource Tanakh material! -- Dauster 20:05, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reversion Orthodox Judaism

I'm trying to avoid out-and-out reversion without explanation absent clear vandalism. Concerned that a cold RV for just an ill-considered edit could turn a well-meaning newbie off unnecessarily. Realize I haven't been keeping this myself consistently. Shavuah Tov, --Shirahadasha 19:02, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My Post

Yes, I was a hyper idiot yesterday evening, and I apoligize sincerely. Alright, I have severely toned down my topic in Talk:MJ, made it completely fact-dense, and re-posted it. 12.65.216.68 19:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Added a response to your criticism. Thank you for your patience, Kari. 12.65.216.68 20:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I saw the experimental vandal edit to the article. Thank you for rving it. It is sad and it pains me to see that there are there some closed-minded, ignorant extremists that still believe Messianic Judaism is some sort of a vast conspiracy missionary effort (had they attended any of the links of websites about MJ, they would see how profoundly far from the truth that is; they haven't done that of course, perhaps they believe the Jewish Moshiach will corrupt them), rather than the branch of Judaism that it is. Shalom 12.64.228.158 01:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I will be making little to no editing until my account, Zorkfan, is reopened in a week. When I return as an editor, one of my first undertakings will be a treatise set forward in the talk page that will give the editors (almost none of whom know a salt's worth about Judaism or Messianic Judaism) a better idea of what MJ is by explaining what groups have no actual connection to Messianic Judaism. These groups include Hebrew Christians, J.f.J., anyone that teaches that the Torah is non-normative, Trinitarians, anyone that attempts to pronounce the Tetragrammaton as part of their doctrine, anyone that teaches that the Moshiach is somehow equal to G-d, and anyone who claims that the Moshiach did away with a part of the Torah as a teaching. None of these groups are M-Judaism (though some may think they are), and I will explain why and how. Shalom and much appreciated 12.65.204.74 04:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jewish services -text and language

In Jewish services#Text and language, it says "most communal prayers may be recited in any language the worshiper understands" does this mean a halakhically observant Jew who doesn't understand Hebrew or Aramaic but attends an Orthodox shul where no local language is used, is halakhically forbidden to participate in most prayers? If not, what is the exception and what is its halakhic basis? My grandma went to a large and poor orthodox shul in the Lower east side in her youth and according to her most people there didn't know any Hebrew at all.. a Hebrew education was only available to those who could pay for it or who had it in the family, which was very few.

It says certain prayers must be said in Hebrew.. do you have any idea which ones they are.. is it just the Shema? Can you help provide a reference? Zargulon 15:38, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I moved the discussion of the Shema language to Shema. It seemed more appropriate there. In Jewish services the general statement covers everything and restating the principle for selected individual prayers didn't seem to belong there as much as in the Shema article. --Shirahadasha 18:25, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Added a footnote with the mention of Shema and the reference. Also added a footnote referencing Sotah 7:2 for a list of prayers that must be said in Hebrew. Best, --Shirahadasha 03:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your userpage

Hi, I'll redesign your userpage for you if you want; you made a comment about its design on it! SunStar Net 22:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The bad news is....

He'll be back soon enough, and reverting. Jayjg ^(talk) 23:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zorkfan

Yes, it was him again. Jayjg ^(talk) 14:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You can accuse me of bad faith, but that doesn't give you the right to revert my edit.

Please don't be so condescending next time, ok???? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aljazzera44 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] What's your objection to describing Israel as a colony?

I editted the Israel article to say that the Zionists intended to establish a colony, and quoted Jabotinsky.

Why did you revert such a straightforward observation, amply proven by the source I quoted?

PalestineRemembered 22:01, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I can cite plenty of books or websites of fabricated information about what Israel is or isn't. Remember WP:V and WP:NOR. You also might want to remember that Wikipedia is not a soapbox. Kari Hazzard (T | C) 22:15, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure you can quote mass fabrications about Israel - I see such things constantly. But I quoted one of the top Zionists, memorialised by Israel in Jerusalem.

These are his words in his own book "The Iron Wall", 1923:

....... A voluntary reconciliation with the Arabs is out of the question either now or in the future. If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find some rich man or benefactor who will provide a garrison on your behalf. Or else - or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempt to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not difficult, not dangerous, but IMPOSSIBLE! ... Zionism is a colonization adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important ... to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot - or else I am through with playing at colonizing.

There you go - the words of the founder of Revisionist Zionism (the precursor of Likud) - do you dispute what Israel is based upon?

I'm strongly against getting involved in some kind of edit-war, but the evidence for Israel being a colony is clear for everyone to see. Americans and others can travel there freely, and the right sort of settlers are very welcome, with assistance given (Flimsiest of connections needed, eg the Russians). People born there cannot get in atall. This is "colonising" far more extreme than anything that took place under the British Empire (even apartheid South Africa!).

PalestineRemembered 10:31, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Linux project banners

Hi, Karimarie. I notice that you've been adding {{Linuxproject}} to various Linuxy topics. However, speaking as a founding member of WikiProject Linux, I don't think this is too useful for these articles. Since it was started, the project hasn't really done anything of consequence, so I don't think it's advisable right now to stick links up on lots of talk pages. Maybe if the project gets more active, it will be more useful to put these banners up. Twinxor t 07:16, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

You're correct that the articles are relevant to the project, but I don't believe that the reverse holds. My point is that the project hasn't done much, and linking it is unlikely to benefit the articles at this point. I'm not going to go reverting your edits; I just wanted to advise you. Twinxor t 00:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] userboxes

firstly, 'hi' as a new friend! secondly please can you give me the code for the recycling and public transport userboxes!?!? i cant find them in your source. ta! Chavatshimshon 21:31, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In your Honest Oppinion

Just because you don't like my oppinion (the leading oppinion)about reform rabbis, doesnt mean that you have a right to remove my comments. for starters what makes you an athority on Judaism in the first place? I am jewish since the day i was born, and I studied to be a rabbi, (though I am not a rabbi) You on the other hand have very limited knowledge about judaism, though Im sure you think that you are all knowing about Judaism and its practices, and maybe you even want to be a rabbi in teh Jewish Club called reform Judaism, the problem is that the term rabbi was coined, way before reform Judaism ever existed, so who gives reform Jews a right to change the meaning of the word, and what training is needed, call it a Reform Counsler.

Ohh, maybe its because you are a woman, (btw Judaism doesnt directly prohibit lesbionism, it only brohibits Male Homosexuality).

You Are not an authority, and I am speaking my oppinion, which in this case is no doubt corret, so what gives you the right to remove my comments, waiting for a reply,

best regards,

Smiton Raulay —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.47.150.126 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Who the hell do you think you are, Ellen?

Who gives you the right to revert my edit to Israel? What the hell are you anyway? You ignored a previous message of mine, but don't ignore this one and actually engage in discussion! Women don't like cowardice! Bye Ellen! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.84.56.191 (talk • contribs) .