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Contents 1 Bad jokes in estonian list II 2 bad jokes in estonian list 3 Pim Fortuyn 4 Richard Strauss 5 List of non-Fascists 6 Authoritarian/Racist does NOT equal Fascism 7 Do "pro-Axis" and "cobelligerent" poltical leaders count as Fascists? 8 "Possible Successors" section 9 Luigi Pirandello 10 Appeal 11 Boyd Rice 12 Nazis Not True Fascists 13 Text and people listed 14 Ion Antonescu 15 Nicolae Dabija and Victor Popa 16 Possible Ancestors 17 Some countries, peoples or lands with lesser fascist civil, military or political collaboration 18 Unverified fascists 18.1 Austria 18.2 Belgium 18.3 Bulgaria 18.4 Banat & Backa 18.5 China 18.6 Croatia 18.7 Czechoslovakia 18.8 Denmark 18.9 Estonia 18.10 Finland 18.11 France 18.12 Germany 18.13 Greece 18.14 Hungary 18.15 Indochina 18.16 Iraq 18.17 Iran 18.18 Italy 18.19 Japan 18.20 Korea 18.21 Latvia 18.22 Lithuania 18.23 Middle East 18.24 Netherlands 18.25 Norway 18.26 Philippines 18.27 Poland 18.28 Romania 18.29 Russia 18.30 Slovakia 18.31 Slovenia 18.32 Serbia 18.33 Siam 18.34 Spain 18.35 Sweden 18.36 Switzerland 18.37 United Kingdom 18.38 Ukraine 18.39 United States 18.40 Western Samoa 19 Estonia section edit war 20 Estonia 21 Recent Belgian additons

[edit] Bad jokes in estonian list II

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view

I totaly agree with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_fascists#bad_jokes_in_estonian_list

It's cleary total overreaction. Is someone faschist because he's eurosceptic? I personaly hate skinheads and hate all this nazi ideology and I tell you that some names in that list are really bad joke.

I think whoever created this estonians list has strongly violated this rule: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view

[edit] bad jokes in estonian list

Names like Tarmo Kruusimäe (punk-singer and soccer fanatic), Martin Helme (eurosceptic) are some bad joke. And I dont agree that any of these names are or were fascists. There is some german collaborators (Hjalmar Mäe, Oskar Angelus, Alfred Vendt, Hans Saar, Otto Leesment, Oskar Öpik, Arnold Raadik), war criminals (Laak, Koolmeister, Linnas), political police officers (Mere, Viks, Mikson, Ennok), but are they fascists? Madisson was soviet dissident. Ok, he wrote one book - "Uus Maailmakord" but he and fascist... no. Some names like Tauno Radik and Raigo Sõlg I never heard... Today I read about them from newspapers... Radik is just skinhead, Sõlg eurosceptic - are they fascists? The Wiesenthal Center claims Männil served in the local police for four months in Estonia during the Nazi occupation and that he played a role in the death of at least 100 Jews. Männil admits he worked for the security police, but said he was mainly doing paperwork, never actively taking part in operations. Maybe he is criminal, but is he fascist? Soodla was Waffen SS Oberführer... there is a some more Standartenführers and Obersturmbannführers. Why he is fascist and anothers not?

And Jüri Uluots?????? He wasnt fascist. Looks like Estonia have more fascists then Germany or Italy... is this a joke?

Tarmo Kruusimäe isn't a punk singer, but a nazi-skinhead singer.--Tuulispask 10:47, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pim Fortuyn

I have some problems with placing Pim Fortuyn in the list of fascists. I agree that he is a populist and his vision lacks the nuances needed for practical use, but a fascist is too much. Comments please.

Fascist is too strong a word and perhaps is violation of NPOV. Granted his views were distateful to many but I he still believed in the democratic system and I doubt if any of his followers would have called themselves Fascist. Just my personal opinion here. Piercetp 08:50, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Richard Strauss

I am removing Richard Strauss from this page. Strauss was an apolitical man and despised politicians. He was not a fascist; he never identified himself as such; the label was applied by Goebbels in November 1933 when Goebbels appointed him head of the Reichsmusikkammer--WITHOUT CONSULTING HIM. Strauss's daughter-in-law Alice was a Jew and he did everything possible to prevent her and her family from being sent to the gas chambers. Hitler forced Strauss to resign his position in 1935 after Strauss refused to remove Stefan Zweig's (a Jew) name from the playbill for Die schweigsame Frau --Zweig was the librettist, and Strauss's friend. After this Strauss composed a thinly-veiled attack on the Third Reich, a plea for peace and parable of freedom versus slavery, called Friedenstag. See the Richard Strauss article. Calling Strauss a fascist is absurd; he just happened to be in Germany, and he was famous, and Goebbels stuck the label on him. Antandrus 03:40, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] List of non-Fascists

This is a list that doesn't need to be made, because all the fascists are already listed right here at List of Fascists. So anyone not on this list is not a fascist. How informative! But what about Corporate nationalists? Wetman 19:14, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

FunnyCurtsurly 12:56, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Authoritarian/Racist does NOT equal Fascism

To those who insist on putting Pinochet, Verwoerd, Papadopoulos, and Metaxas on this list: read the Doctrine of Fascism. Just because one is authoritarian does not mean one is a fascist; and just because one is racist does not mean one is fascist. Pinochet, Papadopoulos, and Metaxas were authoritarian, but they were not genuine fascists; Verwoerd was racist, but he was not a fascist--he supported the founding of a Republic! Fascism is a highly complex ideology, involving the mythical relation between the people and their land, between a people and their history, between people and their leader, etc., which none of the above fully encapsulated. Besides which, they did not, as the top of the list says, self-identify as fascists.

"Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victim-hood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion." (Anatomy of Fascism, p 218)

That happened in Chile, so, Pinochet is facist... I don't know about the other two that you mention.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bauta (talk • contribs) .

Pinochet is not fascist. First, I'd argue that Pinochet didn't have "a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants" he had the military which is not necessarily the same thing. Second, that definition is overly vague and disagrees with most scholarly research on the definition of fascism which agrees on a more stringent definition (fascism must include corporatism and radicalism both of which Pinochet lacked). Third, (and this is the big one) Passmore, Griffiths, Griffin, and others discuss the differences between South American dictatorships and fascism. The end consensus always, as far as I've seen, being that none of them were fascist with Brazil being the only exception. The only other exception that can really be argued is that Peron was fascist but again pretty much all research I've seen says, quite explicitly, that Peron wasn't fascist. Unless you can cite some reputable source saying explicitly that Pinochet was fascist he shouldn't be on the list. - DNewhall 12:42, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, About your first argue, he had all the chilean right wing working with him. Abput the definition, is one in the wiki article of fascism. And by your point of view, this article should be of Musoolini and some of his buddies... no reason to have Hitler or his partners, for example... and so... but no problem for me, I really don't care so much to have him on this list... everybody knows him in Chile as a facist. Luck for you.

Although having got some true fascists in the inner circles of his authoritarian Vichy regime, we cannot say that Marshal Philippe Pétain was one of them. Sroulik 15:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Do "pro-Axis" and "cobelligerent" poltical leaders count as Fascists?

Do Dobri Bozhilov, Miklós Horthy, or Jozef Tiso fit the definition?

Also, did Rafael Leónidas Trujillo, Gerardo Machado, Nathuram Godse, or Gyula Gömbös "self-identify" as fascists?

Perhaps alternate lists (List of Authoritarians, List of Racists, List of Nationalists, List of People Called Fascists) should be established. What about more specific, particular, or overlapping lists (List of National Socialists, List of Non-Nazi Fascists, List of SS members, List of Legionaries, List of Rexists, List of Antisemites, List of Aryan Racialists, List of Esoteric Hitlerists, List of Occult Fascists, List of Christian Fascists, List of anti-Christian Fascists, List of Muslim Fascists List of Christian Identity Christians, List of Vegetarian Fascists, List of Racial Nationalists, List of Klansmen, List of National Bosheviks, List of Third Positionists, List of Conservative Revolutionaries)?

• If we can trust wikipedia, it says that Gömbös said to Goering that he would remodel Hungary along fascist lines. That sounds like self-identification. On the other hand, the other three--Trujillo, Machado, and Godse, appeared not to have.

• As for the first three (Bozhilov et al.), Tiso was the only one who was "fascist-leaning" (according to wikipedia) before the war. The others were not, and should not be on the list.

[edit] "Possible Successors" section

I think that this section should be removed. It is nothing but a list of individuals to whom the term "Fascist" has been applied as a political slur. Sourcing isn't even provided for these entries. Should George W. Bush be included on the list? After all, +"george w. bush" +fascist nets over 200,000 hits on Google, so plenty of people have called him that. Is there any politician who hasn't been called a fascist by someone at some time? As George Orwell once put it: "It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else." [1] Let's restrain this list to people who actually called themselves Fascists, i.e. Hitler, Mussolini, and various other dictators and their explicit supporters. I don't think we need to turn it into a list of people who were called nasty names.

[edit] Luigi Pirandello

What about Luigi Pirandello (1867-1936); according to Alastair Hamilton in The Appeal of Fascism, he wasn't interested in politics but he was considered "the playwright of the regime". He was exceedingly close to Mussolini until 1935, so he ought to at least be considered a proto-Fascist or at least an honorary one, if such an appelation exists. According to his Wiki profile, he only flirted with Fascism; is this precisely accurate, however. The article says nothing of his relationship with Il Duce. Curtsurly 12:49, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I would say that Pirandello has been near to fascim, very near at some point, but he did not really contribute to its ideology, nor fascist ideology has much (if any) role in his writing, so that he should not belong to this list more than possibly thousands of other italians. Sergio.ballestrero 15:51, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Appeal

This list needs to be cleaned up. It is now a sea of red links. Proper names are not used, just ranks and last names in many cases. There were also many non-fascists on this list, like Aung San. Come on. —Seselwa 21:52, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, it seems anyone who was a dictator an not a communist (Shefqet Verlaci), A racist (John Tyndall) or have worked with fascists (Puyi) seems to be included in this list, it seriously needs to be cut back. Did anyone even read these articles? Puyi was a supporter of Mao!

Yes, and he was also a puppet of Hirohito before that. Some folks learn how to accomodate. In a long life one can be both a fascist and a communist. -Willmcw 07:11, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Boyd Rice

I removed Boyd Rice from United States for the following reasons:

- no-one's even sure if he IS fascist; he's known to play a lot of (admittedly tasteless) jokes regarding his ideology and beliefs.

- if he IS really a fascist, he hasn't really contributed to fascism or fascist ideology. at all. —83.118.141.133 01:11, 6 August 2005

I, too, was wondering if he belonged on this list. He has self-identified as an "Occult Fascist" in the past, but stressed that he was not using the word fascist "in the political sense". —Morning star 04:07, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Boyd Rice has espoused fascist beliefs at various times in the past and associated with neo-fascists but he has stated that his ideal political system would have been the Byzantine Empire, which even in an anachronistic sense could not have been considered fascist. I would consider him to be an authoritarian monarchist and probably a racist, but not a fascist. PrairieDog 16:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nazis Not True Fascists

I think that part of the German list is inaccurate. Nazis should not be included as fascist, as they were national(ist) socialists, not fascist. While many elements of socialism are found in fascism, as fascism is an outgrowth of socialism, we should not label socialists as fascists and vice-versa. Unless there's a broad classification of all forms of collectivism involved.

MSTCrow 03:49, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

I concur with the above statement,Nazis are not Fascists. But may I also inform you that Fascism did not outgrow from Socialism. Fascism was independently formed along with Anarchism as a branched ideology that had no true political purpose other than a form of discipline upon society. Socialism has nothing bearing resemblance to Fascist traits. It was not Fascism that borrowed elements from Socialism but Nazism (a true form of Socialism that blends National Identity in it's doctrine) that borrowed several elements from Fascism. I would reconsider adding Nazis to the list, but then again it is true most Nazis were more steered towards the Fascist mentality than that of Hitler's. Piecraft 16:21, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

There's some very poor analysis being displayed in both of these sets of comments. Fascism was not an outgrowth of socialism, and neither was "national socialism". Furthermore, if Nazism is not to be considered as fascism, which seems to be a rather pedantic argument, then only Italian fascism can be considered to be fascist; whilst I would advocate a relatively narrow definition of "fascism", this seems to be going to an entirely unnecessary extreme. Silverhelm 17:09, 23 September 2005 (UTC).

It is you who have made an erroneous statement in believing that National Socialism is if not asscoiated to Socialism, at the very least an outgrowth of it's ideology. Explain to me then where does the Socialist conext in National Socialism appear within the name? Or even throughout the social-politics? Do you even know what you are stating? I never said Italian Fascism was the only form of Fascism, but you cannot compare it to Nazism when both have been based upon two separate and completely different ideologies. Nazism has its roots within Socialist political doctrine with a perspective directed towards Nationalist pride and identity, whilst Fascism has been founded under completely different terms which has dissasscoiated itself from Socialism if anything. Your failure to recognise this proves to me that perhaps you should not have the right in deleting areas of this article without further investigation into a subject which you possibly need more information on. Fascism has been recognised as a main ideology that formed through Italy, Spain and Portugal as well as other minor countries since the early 20th century, thus the reason why there are still strong remnants of a Fascist past to these countries which still possess a Fascist party as well as records of their past Fascist dictatorships that reigned. The problem is that people have time and time again confused and manipulated the meaning of Fascism to refer to Racist or Authoritarian - and therefore cast anything under the sun that falls under those two categories as FASCIST, when in reality they possess no true factors or traits to Fascism. Piecraft 19:14, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

The notion that national socialism is either associated to, or an outgrowth of, socialism proper is just nonsense, as is your statement that it is/was "a true form of Socialism". National socialism has its roots in nationalism, and the fact that it co-opted elements of socialist ideology as its principal figures sought to make their movement "about" something no more makes their movement socialist than does the co-option of elements of market theory make the Chinese Communist Party capitalist.

The roots of the NSDAP were amongst disaffected working class and lower-middle class German men, frustrated with an end to the old certainties, the apparent collapse of social order, and economic disruption and failure. For these men, the way forward was a strengthening of the national will, the subjugation of the individual to the national need, the removal from national influence of those who supposedly worked in the interest of others, and greater economic power and influence for those who did the "real work". There was a degree of inevitability that elements of socialism would form part of any articulation of these people's political demands, just as elements of nationalism determined the policies of the new Bolshevik government in Russia. But a degree of influence does not determine the core of a political stance.

Finally, with regard to your spurious assertion regarding the deletions that I made, I put forward the reasons for those deletions in separate sections below, and cannot see that they have anything to do with the content of this section.

Cheers, Silverhelm 15:26, 25 September 2005 (UTC).

Hallo,

I must concur that Nazis are not Fascists. They share some elements but there are also great differences.

The whole list is generally questionable as it lumps together various different countries and cultures and places them under one roof.

Another oddity is the section on Austria, where the Austro-Fascists Dollfuß and Schuschnigg are placed side by side with Nazis like Seyß-Inquart. In fact, Dollfuß was murdered in a failed Nazi coup and S-I was the leader of the Austrian Nazis. At least, there should be subsections to make that clear. (A similar oddity occurs in Hungary with Horthy side by side with the "Arrow Cross" movement.

Whether Jörg Haider is a Fascist is also questionable (and I certainly have no sympathy for him whatsoever) - he certainly has a background of Nazi and "greater German" circles, but IMHO he is more of a right-wing populist.

Also, the opener talked about "self-identification". How broadly is that applied. Have all the listed actually said "I am a Fascist"? - Certainly not the Nazis and probably few of the Third world figures.

Str1977 11:12, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Text and people listed

"This is a list of persons who self-identify as Fascists or a variant (e.g., National Socialists, Rexists, Falangists, etc.) and who have made major contributions to this ideology, either literarily, politically or militarily. It is organised by country or region."

This page purports to list people who fit both the following criteria:

• self-identify as Fascist or a variant;
• have made major contributions to ideology of Fascism;

Firstly, calling military service a contribution to ideology as such is a stretch. To list some Waffen SS "Foreign legions" officers (some of whom were either drafted under the penalty of concentration camp or othrwise compeled to serve) -- merely, I suspect, because of their formal subordiantion to SS and because they were decorated by Nazi Germany -- and thus to imply that they "self-identified" as Fascists, is insinuation at best and can be a libelous accusation at worst. To suggest that a Knights Cross decorated Waffen SS Corporal -- like in the case of Alfreds Riekstinsh, -- has made "major contributions" to "ideology of Fascism" sounds, excuse me, plain silly. Many of these men are not here to tell their stories and to speak in their own defense. Which should not mean everyone is free to call them fascists, much less - fascists, who have made major contributions to this ideology, I think.

Doc15071969 12:31, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

The list, as it has been defined, should be more or less limited to people who were/are either (1.) members of (at least arguably) Fascist parties, or (2.) noteworthy politicians in (at least arguably) Fascist-controlled governments, or (3.) authors whose works made (at least arguably) significant contributions to the ideology of Fascism. It is both inappropriate and misleading to include such military personnel who fit none of these definitions in this list.

"Major military contribution to ideology of Fascism" is a rather dubious criterion. For example, those Soviet political and military leaders who were instrumental in contributing to the military successes of their Nazi German allies in 1939-1941 (and hence, by the same logic, to the ideology of Fascism) would have also been Fascists then by this definition. In any case, even if by some stretch of definition some people qualify as Fascists by their military contribution alone, then such a representative list of "military Fascists" should include the German, and (arguably some) pro-German WWII field marshals (Rommel, Model, etc. etc.), marshals, admirals etc., at the minimum, generals, but not e.g. Latvian officers ranging from sergeants to colonels in rank. That is why the latter, who do not meet definitions (1.)-(3.) either, have been omitted from the list. --212.209.42.133 13:00, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

I think noteworthy military service in the cause of fascism is an acceptable and sufficient criterion as long as a strong case is also made that these figures privately and unambiguously self-identified as fascists and that their service was motivated by a desire to promote the ideology. This would, for instance, admit someone like Muñoz Grandes but not Rommel, Model, and most German career soldiers. Albrecht 16:06, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ion Antonescu

Ion Antonescu is (was) a war criminal and a dictator. He also was anti-semitic. However, he was not a fascist, for he had no ideology beyond nationalism, anti-communism, and anti-semitism. I am removing him from this list. There are lots of other that should be added, including much of the Iron Guard direction from the time.

[edit] Nicolae Dabija and Victor Popa

Adding these two guys on the list is probably a troll. I am removing them. If someone adds them again, please post a reference.

[edit] Possible Ancestors

Frankly, this whole article is of appalling quality, and I'm not convinced that it doesn't deserve a VfD. However, leaving that aside:
The "Possible Ancestors" section is just ridiculous, and so I've removed it in its entirety. There's a place somewhere for an article on the intellectual roots of fascism (assuming that someone hasn't written it already), with exploration of the people its founders saw as embodying, expounding, or contributing to its philosophy; but it certainly doesn't belong as part of a "List of fascists". As the list stands, it's farcical, particularly as no attempt has been made to state why any given name is of relevance. For instance, as far as I know, the only thing that links Charles Darwin with fascism is social darwinism; but that theory was derived by others, not by Darwin, and in fact I believe he was irritated with the notion as unscientific. And then there's Julius Caesar, well he was a military strongman, and he went in for invading the odd country, but how many other people in history does that apply to? And so on, and so on...
Silverhelm 07:47, 15 September 2005 (UTC).

I think you should perhaps discuss the matter more in depth before deleting a segment from the article. I for one know that it has been unanimously agreed that Darwin plays a large part in the modern Fascist mind-set - especially his theories on evolution. As for Julius Caeser, it is a known fact that Mussolini based his strong beliefs upon Caeserism, and even drew upon many of the ideas from Roman government as a factor to the consitution of Fascism. Many neo-Fascists consider Caeserism as an early primal form of the seeds of Fascism. Piecraft 02:34, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

I shall restate my core argument for you. Whilst there is a place for an exploration of the roots of fascism, including those people in the past that its founders drew inspiration from (however much misplaced), such an exploration does not belong as part of a "List of fascists". Furthermore, no real analysis was given, which could quite easily lead someone unfamiliar with the topic to assume that, eg, Charles Darwin asserted proto-fascist beliefs in his works, which was not, of course, the case. Silverhelm 17:28, 23 September 2005 (UTC).

I never stated that Darwin or Caeser were Fascists but it is known at least in the world of Fascism that both individuals have provided serious insight towards the modelling and formation of the ideology to which Fascist individuals adhere to. So yes I would go so far as to even state that they were proto-Fascist thinkers, because their ideas worked to promote later in history the inspiration for the birth of a social-political ideology known as Fascism. Perhaps a re-wording of the term "Ancestors of Fascism" would be more suitable, for instance Proto-Fascist Thinkers or Influences. It is wrong to discount these individuals simply because you feel they are not valid to your perception of what you consider to be Fascist which to me seems warped. Piecraft 19:18, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Please actually read what I wrote! I did not say that you had stated that either Darwin or Caesar were fascists. Rather, I made the general point (twice!) that the inclusion of both their names (and that of others) without meaningful comment in an article named "List of fascists" would give an entirely misleading impression to the casual reader. And incidentally, the fact that others chose to make distorted extrapolations from the theories of Charles Darwin does not make him a "proto-fascist", and it also seems to me on the face of it that to describe Julius Caesar in the same way is both anachronistic and somewhat baseless. Finally, I have absolutely no idea on what basis you assert that my perception of who might be described as fascist might be "warped", since I have not really proferred an opinion of the definition of the term. Silverhelm 21:45, 23 September 2005 (UTC).

[edit] Some countries, peoples or lands with lesser fascist civil, military or political collaboration

I've also got rid of this section, too. The bulk of it seems to be a list of badly-spelled names of countries or ethnic groups that came under German occupation during World War II. No doubt some of those people collaborated. No doubt some of them collaborated to a significant extent. But such a simple list is grossly simplistic, even if it were accurate; and the topic is covered much more logically in the article on the Axis Powers.
The list is also extraordinarily "anti Asian". Apparently only people with brown skins collaborate with fascist dictatorships; by the apparent selection logic used, the French, the Belgians, the Dutch, the Norwegians, the Ukrainians, the Croats, the Latvians, the Lithuanians, the Finns and others could be added. But I'm not going to add them, because the list is downright crass. It tars an entire nation with a brush, depending on the actions of some of its politicians; and those actions may well have absolutely nothing to do with fascist ideology. Frankly, it smacks of racism.
Silverhelm 07:58, 15 September 2005 (UTC).

[edit] Unverified fascists

I've moved all names from the list which I do not know to belong there. If you can vouch for the validity of someone below, please restore them to the list (ideally with full name and dates). —Morning star 09:57, 23 October 2005 (UTC).

Also, if you can affirm that someone below does not belong on the list—please feel free to remove them. —Morning star 00:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Austria

• Lothar von Rendulic
• Gordon Gollob
• Bruno Nagler
• Raoul Hafner
• Paul Baumgartl
• Friedrich von Doblhoff
• Theodor Lauffer
• Walther Mikron

[edit] Belgium

• Jef Van de Wiele 1903-1979 misprint
• Lucien Lippert, °1913,+ 1944-02-13
• Michael Lippert ???
• Leon Gillis ?
• Jacques Leroy ?
• Remi Schrijnen 1924-2006
• Hendrik Elias 1902-1973 misprint

[edit] Bulgaria

• Filov
• Zachariev
• Gabroski
• August Boris
• Bogosanow
• Rogosaroff

[edit] Banat & Backa

• Sepp Lapp
• Sepp Janko

[edit] China

• Chu-Fo-hai
• Wu Pei-fu
• Chu Min-Yi
• Wang Bu-ching
• Tao-liang
• Chao Kung
• Puyi (1906-1967)
• Cheng-Hsiao-Hsu
• Pu Chieh
• Rong Qi
• Pu Ren
• Lo-Cheng-Yu
• Ling-Sheng
• Liu-Feng-Ching
• Chuang-Tsung-Chang
• Ma-Wang
• Hsi-Hsia
• Demchugdongrub (1902-1966)
• Yoshiko Kawashima(East Jewel)
• Prince Su
• Ma Chung-ying

[edit] Croatia

• Osman Kulenović
• Dzofar Kulenović
• Antoković
• Vladimir Panjan
• Franjo Dzal
• Ivan Mrak
• Vjekoslav Vicevic
• Vladimir Graovac
• Ivan Markulj
• Viktor Pavicic
• Marko Mesic
• Andro Vrkljan
• Stjepan Rumenovic
• Mato Dukovac
• Cvitan Galic
• Mile Stancevic
• General Propic
• Mladen Lorković
• Altgayer
• Herr Kraft
• Toth
• Mladen Schwartz

[edit] Czechoslovakia

• Emmanuel Moravec
• Khejci
• Burgdorsf

[edit] Denmark

• Scavenius (?)
• Junnar Larsen
• Jacobsen (?)
• K.B.Martinsen
• Egon Christophersen
• Johannes Hellmers
• Sören Kam
• Christian Peder Kryssing
• Christian Frederick von Schalburg
• Hans von Lettow-Vorbeck
• Knud Børge-Martinsen
• Per Sörensen

[edit] Estonia

• Andres Larka
• Artur Sirk
• Oskar Angelus
• Aleksander Laak
• Otto Leesment
• Roland Lepik
• Ain-Ervin Mere
• Evald Mikson
• Hjalmar Mäe
• Oskar Öpik
• Arnold Radik
• Hans Saar
• Johannes Soodla
• Ervin Viks
• Alfred Wendt (or Vendt)

[edit] Finland

• Axel Erik Heinrichs
• Taavetti Laatikainen
• Karl-Lennard Oesch
• Ola Olin

[edit] France

• Charles Arsene-Henry
• Pierre Simon Cristofini
• Henri Curnier
• Henri Lafont (aka. Chamberlain)
• Payl Gamory-Dubourdeau
• Roger Labonne
• Edgar Puaud
• Jean de Vaugelas
• Francois Apollat
• Henri-Josef Fenet
• Eugene Vaulot
• Le Fauconier
• Mayol de Lupe
• Louis Bertrand (Aka.Alphonse de Chateubriant)
• Joseph Barthelemy
• Dumolin de Labarthete
• Dr.Menetrel
• Penoist-Mechin
• George Dumoulin
• Paul Marion
• Jean Goy
• Gabriel Lery-Ladurie
• Lucien Romier
• Henry Muysset
• Paul Auphan
• Louis Rougier
• Rene Belin
• Jean Tracou
• Bichelonne De Brinon
• Marquet
• Weyganot
• Flandin
• Denocle
• Deat
• Darnart
• Luchaire
• Frossard
• Chiappe
• Huntziger
• Berguerot
• Dr.Grasset
• Cathala
• Barnaud
• Taittinger
• Gen Lauve
• Gen.Dentz
• Gen.Weygand
• Gen.Georges
• Gen.Mittelhauser
• Gen.Nogues
• Gen.Fougere
• Gen.Germain
• Adm.Muselier
• Adm.Darlan
• Adm.Platon
• Adm.Bourd
• Adm Esteva
• Adm.Abrial
• Adm.Boisson
• Adm.Cayla
• Adm.Decoux
• Adm.Robert
• Cardinal Baudrillant
• Cardinal Gerlier
• Cardinal Suhard
• Clergyman Boegner

[edit] Germany

• Michel Frank
• Heirich Jost
• Wilhelm La Force
• Johann Ott
• Wolfgang Pongratz
• Hans Riemann
• Max Seselman
• Hans Heinz Ewers
• Rudolph Von Sebottendorf
• Kurt Von Schoder
• Emil Kirdof
• K.Hesse
• Hans Kerrl
• Willy Ley
• Werner Gerson
• Michel Cotter
• Erich Rauschning
• Rudolph Dieterle
• Rudolph Schriever
• Heinrich Lohse
• Georg Wulf
• Gerd Achgelis
• Henrich Focke
• Willy Messerschimtt
• Konrad Patzing
• Adrian von Folkensam
• Theodor Osterkamp
• Hans "Assi" Hahn
• Hans Trautloft
• Hubertus von Bonin
• Gunther Freiherr von Maltzahn
• Werner Molders
• Adolph Galland
• Walther Nowotny
• Gunther Lutzow
• Hans Joachim Herrmann
• Martin Fiebig
• Leopold Stenbatz
• Adolph Borchers
• Anton Resch
• Hans Joachim Birkner
• Heinz Ewald
• Gerhard Barkorn
• Hermann Graff
• Herbert Bachnick
• Hans Dammer
• Heinrich Fullgrabe
• Alfred Grislawski
• Ernst Suss
• Hermann Wolff
• Johannes Steinhoff
• Josef Fitzhum
• August Schmidthuber
• Georg Berger
• Alfred Graf
• Conrad Schellong
• Heinz Hufenbach
• Kurt Willamowski
• Franz Hellebaut
• Franz Hahn
• Karl Hermann
• Hans Albert von Lettow-Vorbeck
• ?Hallmann
• Josef Fitzthum
• Otto Reich
• Günter Alhalt
• Heinz Bertling
• Martin Pflug
• Fritz Neidholt
• Emil Zellner
• Eduard Aldrian
• Hans Gravenstein
• Johann Mickl
• Edmund Glaise von Horstenau
• Herbert von Obwurzer
• Karl-Gustav Sauberzweig
• Franz Augsberger
• Fritz Scholz
• Joachim Ziegler
• Gustav Krukenberg
• ?Kille
• Helmut von Vollard-Bockelberg
• Rüdiger Weitzdörfer
• Erich von Bock und Polach
• Herbert Wienczek
• Gerhard Noatzke
• Joachim Tiburtius
• Hans Siegling
• Christopher Diehm
• Walther Schimana
• Sylvester Stadler
• Nikolaus Heilmann
• Fritz Freitag
• Otto Behrendt
• Wolf-Dieter Heike
• Herben Schaaf
• Herbert Schaut
• Hans Siegling
• Andreas Meyer-Mader
• ?Billig
• ?Hermann
• Franz Liebermann
• Reiner Olzscha
• Heinz Reinfarth
• Hermann Tescke
• Werner Freiherr von und zu Gilsa
• ?Pipgorra
• Raimund Hoerst
• Othmar Rudolf Werba
• Oskar Ritter von Niedermayer
• Ralph von Heygendorff
• Karl von Krempler
• Albert Ludwig (fascist)
• Gustav Wegner
• Willy Fortenbacher
• Ernst Ludwig
• Viktor Knapp
• Albert Doerheit
• Jürgen von Bock
• Reinhard Wörner
• Fritz Beister
• Paul Kuhlmeyer
• Friedrich-Christian Ziegler
• Hermann Lorenscheidt
• Jürgen Wagner
• Herbert Garthe
• Arved Theuermann
• Josef Fitzthum
• Viktor Knapp
• Albert Doerheit
• Martin Kohlroser
• Heinrich Schuldt
• Friedrich-Wilhelm Bock
• Bruno Steckenbach
• Hans Koop
• Carl Graf von Pückler-Burghauss
• Nikolas Heilmann
• Herbert von Obwurzer
• Arthur Ax
• Karl Burk
• ?Knebel
• ?Hahn
• Erich Wulff
• Adolf Kopp
• Fritscher
• Egbert Hochhauser
• Edler von Zenetti
• Fritz Freitag
• Heinrich Schuldt
• ?Zeidler
• ?Lenze
• Erwin Tzschoppe
• Georg Buchholz
• ?Schneider
• Gustav Lombard
• Constantin Heldmann
• Werner Hahn
• Norbert Engel
• Peter Hansen
• Hans Brand
• Josef Berschneider
• Heinz Bertling
• Max Puhlmann
• Georg Meyer
• Ladislaus Deak
• Rolf Tiemann
• Josef Grassy
• Herbert Engel
• Harry Vandieken
• Toni Ameiser
• Gustav Krukenberg
• Walter Zimmermann
• Erich Kostenbader
• Hans Collani
• Berthold Maack
• Rudolf Bössel
• Franz Augsberger
• Erich Braun
• ?Einer
• Johann Boy Petersen
• Otto Reuter
• ?Hamm
• Siegfried Bernhard Sander
• Desiderius Hampel
• Johann Petersen
• Otto Reuter
• Johann Petersen
• Helmuth Raithel
• Gustav Lombard
• Ernst Fritscher
• Anton Flettner
• Hans Fuisting
• R.Schmidt
• Karl Bode
• Helmuth Gerstenhauer
• Gustav Simon

[edit] Greece

• George Poulos
• George Tsolakoglou
• John Rallis
• Constantin Logothetopoulos

[edit] Hungary

• General Jány
• General Werth
• Albert Hirsh
• Manfred Weiss
• Döme Sztójay
• János Zoltay
• Josef V. Zelko
• J.V.Gencsy
• Andreas Szinay
• Josef Grass
• Zoltán Pisky
• László Deák
• György Hermándy-Berencz
• Győző Lévay
• Trebitsh-Lincoln

[edit] Indochina

• Tran Trong-kim

[edit] Iraq

• Rashid Ali Al-Gaylani

[edit] Iran

• Reza Pahlavi (1877-1944)

[edit] Italy

• Etore Bastico
• Mario Carloni
• Enea Navarini
• Francesco Jacomoni di Sanlavino
• Pirzio Biroli

[edit] Japan

• Matome Ugaki
• Shiratoru Toshio
• Katsuko Tojo
• Yoriyasu Arima
• Koh Ishii
• Nobofumi Ito
• Hoshino Naoki
• Mitsuro Toyama
• Shumei Okawa
• Fumio Goto
• Fusanosuke Kuhara
• Ichizo Kobayashi
• Murata Shozo

[edit] Korea

• Prince Gyn Rhee

[edit] Latvia

• Arturs Sprogis

[edit] Lithuania

• Povilas Plechavicius
• Juozas Ambrazevicius
• Kazys Škirpa
• General Kubiliunas

[edit] Middle East

• Harun-el-Raschid Bey

[edit] Netherlands

• Derk-Elsko Bruins
• Joop Havik
• Kaspar Sporck
• Gerrit-Jan Pulles
• Frans Veneman

[edit] Norway

• Finn Hanibal Kjelstrup
• Jorgen Bakke
• Arthur Quist
• Ostuf August Ingier
• Ostuf Omdahl
• John Asphaug
• Uscha Breien
• Bjarne Sem
• Uscha Karl Holter
• Holmung
• ?Cranner
• ?Tur
• Finn Holst Eines
• ? Christiansen
• Finn Wigforss
• ? Pinne
• ? Furum
• Oscar Bang
• Ulf Breien
• Hermann Brodtkorb
• Mandrup Rokne
• Olav Østerås
• Olaf Tryggve Lindvig
• Sophus Kahrs
• Hans Georg Holter
• Henrik Natvig Bruun
• Frode Halle
• Karsten Sveen
• Frithjof Sverre Wraal
• John Braset
• Peter Thomas Sandborg
• Rolf Ravn Virum
• Aslak Rønning Nesheim
• Einar Høve
• Ragnar Berg
• Njaal Reppen
• Rolf Ravn Virum
• Finn Finson
• Kaare Opsahl
• ?Jørgenvåg
• Bjørn Østring
• Charles Westberg
• Arnfinn Vik
• Odd Meidell Ljungberg
• Jørgen Høve
• Harald Hervik
• ?Haug
• Per Meidell
• ?Lundemo
• Gust Jonassen
• Richard Benner
• Frode Halle
• Egil Hoel
• Fredrik Jensen

[edit] Philippines

• Jose P. Laurel (1851-1959)

[edit] Poland

• Bolesław Piasecki
• Władysław Studnicki
• Bolesław Tejkowski

[edit] Romania

• Gheorghe Avramescu
• Leonhard Mociulschi

[edit] Russia

• Constantine Voskoboinik
• Ivan K. Voskobinkov
• General Kislistin
• General Vrashevsky
• Lieutenant Kalmykoff
• Otto Brautigam
• Sergei K. Bunyachenko
• Georgi Zverev
• Major Kostyenko
• M.F. Skorodumov
• Boris A. Shteyfon
• Anatoliy I. Rogozhin
• Vladimir Zhirinovski

[edit] Slovakia

• Stephan Tiso
• Josef Karmasin
• Votiech Tuka
• Sano Mach
• General Catlos
• Durkansky
• Izidor Kovarik
• Zastavnik Ján Režnák

[edit] Slovenia

• Slavko Krek
• Franc Erpic
• Marko Natlacen
• Franc Krenner
• Anton Kokalj
• Ernst Peterlin

[edit] Serbia

• Kosta M. Mušicki
• Dimitrije Ljotic
• Rade Radic

[edit] Siam

• Luang Phibul Songkhram (1887–1964)

[edit] Spain

• Antonio Garcia Navarro
• Manuel Tebas-Pueyo (born 1980)

[edit] Sweden

• Sven-Erik Olsson
• Gustav Ericsson
• Konrad Hallgren
• Sven Hedengren
• Sven Olov Lindholm
• Per Engdahl
• Sigvard Algot Holmberg
• Stig Bille
• Rune Ahlgren
• Sven Alm
• Per-Sigurd Baecklund
• Robert Bengtsson
• Nils Berg
• Tord Bergstrand
• Erik Tage Blomqvist
• Karl Axel Bodin
• Gösta Borg
• Arthur Brandt
• Oscar Brandt
• Thure Carlsson
• Stig Cederholm
• Alfons Dahlberg
• Erik Dahlin
• Axel Danielsson
• Jan Wilhelm Dufva
• Carl-Göran Edquist
• Gunnar Eklöf
• Gustav Ekström
• Wolfgang Eldh-Albitz
• Ingemar Elf
• Arne Eriksson
• John-Erik Eriksson
• Nils Eriksson
• Sten Eriksson
• Valter F
• Knut Fagerström
• Jan Falk
• Åke Forsell
• Bertil Forsman
• Lars Forssberg
• Harry Gauffin
• Ragnar Gustavsson
• Per Hagberg
• Rune Haglund
• Ulph Hamilton
• Hans Hansson
• Bengt Hassle
• Yngve Hellenborg
• Lars Hellmér
• Torulf Hillblad
• Karl-Olof Holm
• Elis Höglund
• Carl-Erik Isgren
• Per Jarl
• Ingemar Joelsson
• Arne Johansson
• Arvid Johansson
• Hans Johansson
• Ingemar Johansson
• Sture Johansson
• Ragnar Johansson
• Ragnar Johansson
• Harald Jonsson
• Hans-Caspar Kreuger
• Are L
• Karl-Erik Lantz
• Ivar Larsson
• Markus Ledin
• Harald Lindberg
• Gösta Lindborg
• Tage Lindborg
• Hans Lindén
• Albert Lindkvist
• Emil Lindström
• Hans Lindström
• Ragnar Linnér
• Bengt Lofthammar
• Kurt Lundin
• Heino Meyer
• Patrik Mineur
• Sigurd Mohlin
• Bertil N
• Kurt N
• Fred Nilsson
• Karl Eric Nilsson
• Valter Nilsson
• Lennart Nisseby
• Knut Birger Nordberger
• Yngve Nordborg
• Sven Nordqvist
• Rudolf Norgren
• Folke Nystrand
• Carl O
• Harry Ohlson
• Stig Olsén
• Bengt Olsson
• Sten Olsson
• Sven-Erik Olsson
• Hans-Gösta Pehrsson
• Karl-Erik Persson
• Stieg Gottfried Pettersson
• Knut Posse
• Stig R
• Tage von Rainals
• Åke Regnell
• Folke Renhammar
• Stig Ridderstedt
• Bengt Rosmark
• Hans Ryde
• Sven Rydén
• Kurt S
• Olof S
• Gustaf S
• Richard S
• Sven-Erik S
• Thor Samuelsson
• S Sandberg
• Olof Sandström
• Erik Silferhjelm
• Kurt Sjögård
• Lars Sjölin
• Ingemar Somberg
• Gösta Stavåsen
• Kurt Erik Roland Stenberg
• Osborn Stolpe
• Göran Stålhammar
• Harald Sundin
• Carl Svensson
• Olle Svensson
• Jören Svinhufvud
• Karl-Åke Söderberg
• H Thomasson
• Torkel Tillman
• Reinhold W
• Frans Wahlberg
• John Wahlström
• Erik Wallin
• Johan Westrin
• Georg Wiesholler
• Bo Wikström
• Rune Wikström
• Carl-Olof Wrang
• Johan Wrangfors
• Carl von Ziepel
• Carl-Martin Ågrahn
• Johan Österberg
• Rune Ahlgren
• Per-Sigurd Baecklund
• Gösta Borg
• Gunnar Eklöf
• Wolfgang Eldh-Albitz
• Nils Eriksson
• Bengt Hassler
• Yngve Hellenborg
• Hans-Caspar Kreuger
• Hans Lindström
• Kurt Lundin
• Heino Meyer
• Hans-Gösta Pehrsson
• Friherre Harry Raab
• Carl Svensson
• Torkel Tillman
• Sven-Erik Olsson
• Yngve Nordborg
• Sven Rydén

[edit] Switzerland

• Dr.Tobler
• Ernst Leonardt
• Dr.Zander
• Franz Riedwey
• Staiger

[edit] United Kingdom

• Neil Francis-Hawkins

[edit] Ukraine

• Pavlo Schandruk
• Polikarp Sikorsky
• Andrij Melnik
• Dr.Galetka
• Konovaletz

[edit] United States

• Martin James Monti
• Peter Delaney (aka Pierre de la Ney du Vair)

[edit] Western Samoa

• Alfred Matthes
• Gerhard Stoeicht
• E.W. Bohle

Difficult to imagine what a stupid has compiled this list of quasi- or pseudo-Fascists, without any account about the majority of named persons, and why he did it. Is there anybody to improve the list? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.191.135.8 (talk • contribs) .

I removed two that definitely were not fascists but maybe we should scrap the entire list to suffocate any possible slandering. Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 22:26, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning up the list a little. I understand your concern about slandering those who don't deserve association with the f-word; however, there may be individuals listed above who do belong on the list. —Morning star 00:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Seems that most of the mentioned Names are taken from axishistory.com and have been members of the SS, mainly Waffen-SS. (Samoa, USA, Netherlands...) The swedish are mainly the swedish students of the SS-Junkerschule Bad Tölz. The chinese seem to be Kuomintang mainly. From the germans I can confirm Kirdorf, von Schroeder (financiers of Hitler). Focke and Messerschmitt were "Wehrwirtschaftsführer". Galland was the german fighter-pilot ace of WWII, also Werner MÖlders who died in an accident soon after he asked Hitler for ending the "Euthanasie" after it's public denounciation by Bischof von Galen. Streckenbach was a leader of the "Einsatzgruppen". NSDAP-Ranks were the austrian Rendulic, the germans HINRICH Lohse, Hans Kerrl (responsible minster for religious questions) - also a man named Hans Kehrl. Fritz Freitag, Schimana, Ax, Schellong, FitzThum, Stadler, Desiderius Hampel (I think...) and Gustav Lombard held ranks in the Waffen-SS. I don't know an August Schmidthuber but August Schneidhuber was an SA-leader killed during the Blood-Purge 1934. Deak wasn't german but hungarian member of the Waffen-SS. The Dane Sören Kam was member of the SS-killer-command in Denmark ("Peter-Gruppe"). Remi Schrijnen was a decorated beligan member of the Waffen-SS. Karmasin and Mach were ministers of the clerical-fascist slowakian Tiso-Government, involved in the Holocaust. Ignaz Arnold Trebitsch-Lincoln was an intelligence member for various nations in the WWI and afterwards and is said to have taken part in the founding and rising of the nazi-regime, quite similar is the german Sebottendorf - his original name is the also mentioned Othmar Rudolf Werba, who was founder of the reactionary Thule-Movement in munich after WWI who said of himself he was the spiritual father of the Nazi-Movement. Can't say much about the other mentioned germans and others but I'd say a look in the axishistory.com might help.

[edit] Estonia section edit war

To the people that keep adding and deleting the Estonia section here's some new guidelines.

1) ONLY add people that have articles for them already so we can check to make sure they exist and are fascit.

2) ONLY add people that are FASCIST. Being a Nazi, now or once upon a time, does not guarantee that they self-identif(-y|-ied) as a Fascist.

3) Same as above applies to rascists. It's possible to be rascist and/or a "Neo-Nazi" and not be a Fascist. - DNewhall 00:18, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

To User:DNewhall. Do You think these people are not fascists? Who of them?--Disel 11:04, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Estonia

Names like Tarmo Kruusimäe (nazi-skinhead singer and soccer fanatic), Martin Helme (eurosceptic, homophobe, and anti-semitist)... There is some nazi collaborators (Hjalmar Mäe, Oskar Angelus, Alfred Vendt, Hans Saar, Otto Leesment, Oskar Öpik, Arnold Radik), war criminals (Ralf Gerrets, Aleksander Laak, Aleksander Koolmeister, Karl Linnas, Jaan Viik (children killer)), Political Police officers (Ain-Ervin Mere, Ervin Viks, Evald Mikson, Julius Ennok). Tiit Madisson was a soviet dissident, and is an anti-mason, holocaust denier, and neo-nazi. He wrote several books: "Uus Maailmakord" ("New World Order"), "Holokaust. XX sajandi masendavaim sionistlik vale" ("Holocaust. The Most Depressing Zionist Lie of the XX Century"; 2006)... Some names like Tauno Rahnu and Kalev Rebane are the nazi-skinheads, Kaido Nõmmik and Raigo Sõlg - eurosceptics and neo-nazis. The Simon Wiesenthal Center claims Harry Männil served in the local police for four months in Estonia during the Nazi occupation and that he played a role in the death of at least 100 Jews. Männil admits he worked for the security police, but said he was mainly doing paperwork, never actively taking part in operations. He is a suspected war criminal. Johannes Soodla was a Waffen SS Oberführer... and the collaborationist Prime Minister Jüri Uluots, nazi sympathizer Erik-Niiles Kross, "soft racist" singer and militarist Aivar Riisalu...

All of them. Nothing is cited and if they are notable enough they should have an article. As of right now the only person who can be accurately added to the list is Karl Linnas. - DNewhall 12:17, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Belgian additons

It is commendable that people are adding information, but I would like to ask what they are aiming at, especially with info about Iron crosses, which are a purely military decoration. Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 14:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

These two people there are Belgian Rexists (followers of Leon Degrelle) who got that Iron Cross. Otherwise they are nobodies, and that is why I left them out. I wrote an article on Remi Schrijnen, who was a minor political figure after the war. I do not feel like writing one about Jef Van de Wiele (corrected) - that one is very notable, or notorious. Were we to just add these names back without any comment?--Pan Gerwazy 02:11, 17 September 2006 (UTC)