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[edit] Who am I?
A Macedonian, living in Skopje, the capital of the Republic of Macedonia. Happily married with a hot Latina wife, who I endlessly love. :)
Honest, direct and persistent. Very sensitive to injustice, even if it is 1000s of miles away from me.
Trying to stay as neutral as I can be, although sometimes I regret it.
[edit] My Wikipedia mission
I am mostly interested in Human Rights, Politics, Sport, Information Technology, Computers and all other issues concerning Macedonia, Macedonian history, the language and culture.
I am also here to help protect the Macedonian identity, language, history and culture from the assimilation attempts from certain nationalistic POV pushers here on Wikipedia.
If anyone needs any help concerning Human Minority Rights, I will be happy to help (if can find time).
[edit] Short explanation of my previous activity on Wikipedia
Short explanation of my previous activity on Wikipedia I have posted before here on Wikipedia using the nickname i sterbinski. After couple of posts, I gave my nickname for using to someone else. I will not explain who to and why. Despite any reaction that will follow, I can not give any further information about this except what already posted on Wikipedia.
Also, I am not going to give any comment about the previous posts of i sterbinski (no matter mine or someone else's).
[edit] Interesting facts concerning the "Macedonia" and "Macedonians" issues
[edit] Documents as evidence of separate Macedonian ethnicity back to 15th century
1) Several documents as evidence of the separate Macedonian ethnicity in the 15th-18th century.
Adding: "And there are .... many Christians who perforce serve the Turk, such as Greeks, Bulgarians, Macedonians, Albanians, Esclavoni, Razici, Serbians..." - Bertradon de la Broquier, The 15th century travel-writer
Adding: "...it is very high, and here are to be found many monasteries of Christian monks, of whom some are Greeks, others Macedonians, Vlachs and even Italians, as well other nations, who live the lives of saints" - Angiolelo about Mt. Athos
2) Several Russian documents as evidence of the separate Macedonian ethnicity in the 18th century. No wonder they were one of the first that recognized Macedonia under its constitutional name.
3) Several documents as evidence of the separate Macedonian ethnicity in the 19th century.
5) From La Macédoine et les Macédoniens, by Edmond Bouchié de Belle [E.B.de Belle, published in Paris (Librairie Armand Colin), 1922, completed in 1918].
6) Letters to "Rizospastis" (Journal of the Greek Communist Party), 1932nd-1935th. So, not all the Greek sources were denying the existance of a Macedonian ethicity.
At the end, here is what the French Consul in Salonica (end of 18th century) Felix de Beaujour tought of Macedonia: "If one regards Macedonia from the point of view of its natural advantages, one comes to the conclusion that there exists no land in Europe where the people have more prospects of prosperity. But if it is viewed from the aspect of its political forms, one comes to the conclusion that all the misfortunes of the barbarian administration have been assembled here in order to paralyze one of the most beautiful regions of the world in all its richness and variety of products".
NOTE: Many of the documents and facts that proove our separate identity are not on internet.
[edit] Other documents regarding the Macedonians, starting from the 6th century
The following MAK-NEWS edition is the first of three parts on a series of historical material on Macedonia.
History of Macedonia Archives - Part 1 of 3
[edit] What is the real deal behind the naming problem? (October 2005)
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- Taken from: MakFax News Agency Article
- (the whole interview can be found on Macedonian at: Deutsche Welle Article. Before anyone try to deny this, have on mind that this is from the official Deutsche Welle web page) Macedonian 04:12, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Foss says minorities are Greek big lie
Bon/Skopje, 13:54
A big lie of Greeks is their attitude towards ethnic minorities i.e. the denied existence of other ethnicity in Greece, German historian Christian Foss said.
"This also refers to Macedonians given the official non-recognition of Slav minority in northwest part of Greece, which clearly declare themselves as Macedonians. I reckon that minorities-related issue stands behind the big agitation over the name of the Republic of Macedonia," Foss told Deutsche Welle Radio.
Historian Foss stressed that name issue ignited by Greece is "artificial".
"The problem was created artificially given the fact that the name Macedonia plays no role as far as Greeks are concerned. The Ministry in Northern Greece used to call itself a Ministry for Northern Greece, and following the rift with the Republic of Macedonia in 1991, Greeks started to glorify Alexander The Great and his heritage, the Vergina Star, in particular the name Macedonia, which has been too much exploited on national level," Foss said. In this context, he also mentioned the renaming of an airport in Thessaloniki, and Alexander-engraved 100 drachma coins.
As regards the historical context of the name, Foss said the problems occurred in early 20th century, when the three Balkan neighbors of Macedonia forged ahead with grabbing its territory.
"In the course of Greek dictatorship era in early 20th century, Greece had mistreated the Slav-speaking population. Greece took an advantage of the civil war in late 40s (of 20th century) to banish tens of thousands of Slav-speaking residents fighting shoulder-to-shoulder with communists. This is an important factor to comprehend why Greeks block a solution to the so-called Macedonian issue.
Up to present days, these refugees have been derived from their right to return home as Greece challenges Macedonian identity, German historian said in an interview with Deutsche Welle Radio
[edit] How many countries recognized Macedonia under its constitutional name? (November 2005th)
The list of countries with which the Republic of Macedonia has diplomatic relations can be found here (on the website of the ministery for foreign affairs of Macedonia): | list. Total of 143 countires.
The information by which name those countries recognize us is not made public on this website, because the Macedonian goverment does not want that to be understood as provocation by the Greek goverment. Actually, this was the official explanation given when this information was withdrawn. Also, another reason is that the Macedonians see the use of the name "FYROM" as very offensive. Therefore, public listing the names of countries that still haven't recognized the country under its constitutional name might cause some bad feelings from the Macedonians towards those countries.
On the other hand, the number of countries that recognize Macedonia by her constitutional name is even confirmed by the Greek newspapers (the lattest was just a week ago by "To Vima"). Here are 2 links that include the number: [1], [2].
So, Poland was the 112th country that recognized Macedonia under its constitutional name and 143 countries have direct diplomatic relations with Republic of Macedonia. 143-113=31 So, only 31 countries recognize Macedonia under the name FYR of Macedonia. 31 is just 16.2% of the 191 countries that are members of the United Nations.
[edit] Macedonians in Greece (October 2005)
People of Macedonian culture from the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia and the surrounding area, especially Greece, Albania, and Bulgaria. Macedonian, a Slavic language belonging to the Indo-European family, has 1-1.5 million speakers. The Macedonians are predominantly members of the Eastern Orthodox Church and write with a Cyrillic script. They are known for their folk arts.
The Macedonian language and ethnic identification have been subject to repression, especially in Bulgaria and Greece. Although the number of Macedonian speakers in Greece is estimated at 100,000-200,000 (1994), they are denied official recognition.
[Then it had a picture of Macedonians in their traditional dress]
(©Helicon Publishing Ltd, printed from the Hutchinson Educational Encyclopedia, 2000)
(Thanks to REX)
[edit] The European Court for Human Rights against Greece and Bulgaria on the issue of the unrecognized Macedonian minority in those countries
In order to understand the posible real reason behind all this issue of the naming of Macedonia, please read the text taken from Rainbow Pary Website, the party of the Macedonian minority in Greece:
2005 October 21 European Court of Human Rights Rules Against Greece and Bulgaria The European Court of Human Rights has condemned Greece and Bulgaria for the way they treat their Macedonian minorities and violate the European Convention on Human Rights.
Also you might find these following links useful:
The whole text of the article, on Greek,
The full text of the final decision of the court in the case against Greece,
The full text of the final decision of the court in the case against Bulgaria.
Here, you can see very clearly just couple of examples of the treatment of the Macedonian minority in Greece and Bulgaria. If these represions and assimilation attempts are happening now, in the 21st century, can someone imagine what was happening there some 50 or 100 (or more) years ago, when the Human rights on the Balkan were not important issue.
Also, here are 2 links of google search where you can find enormous ammount links full of information concerning the treatment of the Macedonian minorities in Greece and Bulgaria: The Human rights of the Macedonians in Greece, The Human rights of the Macedonians in Bulgaria.
Also, some interesting information about the treatment that Macedonians were receiving in the region can be found here:
The Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia, which is nowdays a part of Greece,
The Macedonians in Pirin Macedonia, which is nowdays a part of Bulgaria.
The last 2 links are from a web site which is clearly supporting the Macedonian side of the story about both history and culture, but the facts about the treatment of the Macedonians in Greece and Bulgaria are supported by any major Human Righst organizations in the world.
It is more than clear that if the world was so concirned about the human rights some 50 years ago, Greece would never become a EU country.
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- Also, I would like to state these link: Intro from the Human Rights Wach Paper called: Denying Ethnic Identity: The Macedonians of Greece and A "Macedonian Tribune article called "Tsarknias Speaks Out.
- I also would be happy to link you to the following site: The Greek Helsinki cometee's reports on the issue of the "Macedonians in Greece", where you have more than 50 links/stories related to the topics.
[edit] The real reason behind this issue of Macedonia (October 2005)
- Just another link to a part of the truth about the poor (or more precisly non existant) humman rights that Greece provides to its minorities. The article is called "Forgotten Discrimination in the European Union".
- [|Source: Reality Macedonia], which during the ethnic conflict in Republic of Macedonia in 2001st was voted by the world journalists for the most reliable and neutral source.
- The same story at another | Source: MakNews.
- More news... the former United Nations special envoy to Macedonia Henry Sokalski today said that "The international community should apologize to Macedonia for being admitted to the United Nations under the name, unappreciated by its citizens."
- He also said that "For being forced to accept another name in order to join the United Nations Macedonia should be compensated".
- The whole text can be found at the following link: [| Source:MIA, Macedonian Information Agency].
[edit] Greek MP calls on Government to recognize Macedonia's name
Athens, 20:04
The deputy of the ruling New Democracy Nikos Georgiadis called the Greek Government to put an end to the name dispute, which poses as rift between Skopje and Athens since 1991, and to accept the name Macedonia, which, as he put it, is used by all countries in the world.
We should acknowledge that we lost that battle. The more we opposing, the more we risk losing, said Georgiadis in his article published in "Kathimerini".
According to the MP, the diplomatic battle Greece is conducting has pushed the country into isolation.
The moment has come for the ruling power to say "one big 'Yes' and to demonstrate realism and courage", Georgakis said. I would prefer a different name, but we cannot change it now. The sooner we accept it, the greater benefit we shell gain, he stated, adding that Athens has lost a great deal in the 15-year long dispute.
Sources: | MakFax, the independant news agency which also can be found here | MakFax link No.2, or you can reffer to this one | Source: Reality Macedonia.
- Here are more news on this issue (Source: [| MakFaks, Independent News Agency]):
- The Greek MP persistent - Athens cannot give name to Macedonia
- Athens, 18:58
- The Greek MP Nikos Georgiadis reiterated again his stance that Greece cannot impose a different name to Macedonia.
- Georgiadis said Athens couldn't decide on the name of a neighboring country, regardless of how much Greece dislikes the existing one.
- "There is no country in the world, which does not addresses our neighboring country as Macedonia, there is no international document nor map, in which the country is noted as Macedonia. Nobody but us, the Greeks, calls it Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia", said Georgiadis for the National Radio Alpha.
- We cannot expect that through the foreign policy and the stubborn citing of the 1995 Agreement we will manage to persuade the whole world the we are right, and all those who use the name Macedonia are wrong, said the MP of New Democracy Georgiadis.
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- Following this, Mr. Nikos Georgiadis suffered great deal of critics and represions by a art of the Greek comunity. He even received life threats. Macedonian(talk)
04:30, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
- Following this, Mr. Nikos Georgiadis suffered great deal of critics and represions by a art of the Greek comunity. He even received life threats. Macedonian(talk)
