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Contents 1 RfA thanks 2 Skymac 3 Oi Message 4 RfA thanks 5 Re: Margaret Chan's text removal 6 Thanks 7 RfAs 8 Re: Your username 9 My failed RfA 10 Thank you! 11 Thanks for your input 12 Remi Sinato 13 Abaana 14 decapentaplegic 15 Abaana 16 Abaana 17 My RfA 18 Signpost updated for November 13th. 19 Shiny new buttons 20 Help 21 User:Treva135 22 Hello 23 Criticism 24 Sorry to bug you, but after reporting twice, it hasn't worked... 25 Please take serious action 26 Lee Smith category removal 27 Lucille Ball 28 =Abaana 28.1 List of Arab scientists and scholars

[edit] RfA thanks

Thank you for the extra feathers on my wings! Thank you so much, Nishkid64, for your support in my RfA, which passed on November 11, 2006, with a final tally of 82/0/2. I am humbled by the kind support of so many fellow Wikipedians, and I vow to continue to work and improve with the help of these new tools. Should you have any request, do not hesitate to contact me. Best regards, Húsönd 20:26, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the congrats Nish. :-) By the way, do you know how do you tell the difference between a static and a dynamic IP? Anyway I guess that I'll stick to 24-hour blocks for vandals that disrespect the last warning. Do you usually block for less than 24 hours? Regards.--Húsönd 01:17, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Dynamic IP's are constantly changing. It's usually hard to tell, but sometimes looking at page history of certain shows users with almost completely similar IP addresses. It's usually from that, that you are able to establish if a user is using a dynamic IP. Static is just never changing, so it's not really hard to tell (since they will usually stay vandal if they are always a vandal; or good if they are always good). Also, regarding blocks...I just have to tell you that I am one of the hardest blocking admins on Wikipedia. For new users who vandalize more than 5 pages, I automatically indefblock them. For first-time vandals, I usually deal out a 31-hour or a 48-hour block. After that I go to either a 99-hour block or a week block. If I see a repeated abuser, I usually deal out a block ranging from 1 month to 6 months. Also, keep an eye on collateral damage which can come from blocks to shared IP's like that belonging to school and other institutions. Nishkid64 01:29, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the valued advice. I was intending to be rather firm against vandals as well, with +24 hour blocks. I have just blocked my first user. For just 3 hours, a courtesy for the first served. :-) Best regards.--Húsönd 01:33, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for bothering you again Nish, but could you please have a look at this and tell me if it would be adequate to salt this page? If so, can an admin have the initiative to protect from recreation or that would have to be discussed somewhere? Thanks. Regards.--Húsönd 04:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Go ahead and salt the page. It's been recreated multiple times, and it seems at this point, that there is no need for the article. Discussing the protection for the page is not necessary in most cases. Just as a tip, if I see an article has been recreated more than 4 times on Wikipedia in the past 6 months, I will protect the deleted page. If I see an article recreated more than two times in a month, then I also will go ahead and recreate the page. Nishkid64 14:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Skymac

[edit] Oi Message

Niskid 64 I found the user Skymac when I was searching through the history of the article dexters laboratory I entered his article, found it was vandalised, reverted it, and found the vandal was a sockpuppet who had been continually abusing his page. That's all I know. Professor Sunderland 14:45, 12 November 2006 (UTC) at Sunday 12th November 2006. at 14:45pm

[edit] RfA thanks

Hi Nishkid64, and thanks very much for your support during my recent RfA, which succeeded with a final tally of 64/0/0. I am grateful for the overwhelming support I received from the community, and hope I will continue to earn your trust as a expand my participation on Wikipedia. It goes without saying that if you ever need anything and I can help, please let me know. Wait, I guess it does go with saying. ; ) --cholmes75 (chit chat) 15:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Margaret Chan's text removal

Hi Nishkid64,

I have made some further changes to the Margaret Chan entry. Plus I have create a section in the discussion. Please kindly take a look of both and keep the discussion going as I would like to hear what you think of my discussion and my new text.

Cheers, – Kempton "Ideas are the currency of the future." - a quote by Kevin Roberts 16:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Nishkid64,

Thanks for your new message. I made some new changes and new summaries. See what you think. Again, it is truly a balance of quotes and my "summary". I don't make it a habit of critizing someone on the news and holding an important role very lightly. But it is a very important matter and that is why I want to make it very careful not to misrepresent or misquote anything.

I would love to have your input on making this entry better. Glad to hear you think this is also very important information, considering many of the information referenced were in Chinese articles which is not that useful for non-Chinese readers.

By the way, it was that "!" that you used at the end of your comment which made it "harsh". I say, positive stuff it is ok for "!". Negative stuff like taking out a whole section, ahhh, may be avoid the "!". Although I understand it is tough to be an admin. (smile) And I also know not to add the text right back without any work.

Cheers, – Kempton "Ideas are the currency of the future." - a quote by Kevin Roberts 17:45, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Thanks for your changes in the entry. Look forward to see your further work. I noticed a user (just IP address) making some date changes on different entries and I am going to revert them. Is there an easy way to revert to an earlier version?

– Kempton "Ideas are the currency of the future." - a quote by Kevin Roberts 06:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

...for the Barnstar. Cheers! SkerHawx 19:36, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

...and from me, too!-gadfium 19:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfAs

How do you submit an Rfa? Clay4president 19:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Your username

I always wondered but I had forgot to ask, but was the misspelling of your name intentional? Nishkid64 16:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

The story of my username. (aeropagitica) 20:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My failed RfA

I deleted the comment that I left here, as I was in a bad mood at the time due to the failure of the RfA and said things that I now regret. I realise this isn't good Wikipedia etiquette, so please accept my apology for that. Walton monarchist89 20:22, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for accepting my apology. On reflection, I think I jumped the gun by going straight to RfA - I should have gone through an editor review first, to enlist more support from other users and gain more experience of the RfA system. I think an editor review will probably be my next move. Walton monarchist89 10:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

Thanks for the barnstar! It'll motivate me to try harder to stop the vandals. =) –- kungming·2 | ^(Talk·^Contact) 22:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your input

Thank you for taking part in my RfA. The RfA was not successful, mostly because I did a pretty bad job of presenting myself. I'll run again sometime in the next few months, in the hopes that some will reconsider.

In the meantime, one of the projects I'm working on is A Wikimedia Administrator's Handbook. This is a wikibook how-to guide intended to help new administrators learn the ropes, as well as to simply "demystify" what adminship entails. If you are an administrator, please help out with writing it, particularly on the technical aspects of the tools. Both administrators and non-administrators are welcome to help link in and sort all of the various policies regarding the use of these tools on wikipedia in particular (as well as other projects: for example, I have almost no experience with how things work on wiktionary or wikinews). Users who are neither familiar with policy or the sysop tools could be of great help by asking questions about anything that's unclear. The goal is to get everything together in one place, with a narrative form designed to anticipate the reader's next question.

A second project, related but not entailed, is a book on wikimedia in general, with a history of how various policies evolved over time, interesting trivia (e.g., what the heck was "wikimoney" about?), and a history of how the wikimedia foundation itself came about and the larger issues that occurred during its history (such as the infamous "Spanish Fork").

Again, thanks for your input on the RfA, and thanks in advance for any help you might be able to provide for the handbook. --SB_Johnny|^talk|_books 13:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Remi Sinato

("I deleted Remi Sinato because I don't believe he is a very notable musician. You said he was responsible for the electronic music industry in Utah and that alone does not mean he's very notable. I failed to find much information about him on any other websites, so much of the article's information cannot be verified by 3rd-party sources. Sorry, but I don't think the article should be on Wikipedia.")

It is understandable that, not living in Utah (a literal desert both of water and of electronica), it must be difficult to perceive just how significant any electronic music revolution here would be. As it is, he really did cause the recent increase in the local popularity of this genre. Recording companies, electronic artists, and fans are only experiencing an enrichment of electronic music here in Utah because of Sinato's efforts. While respecting your beliefs, I happen to believe that Sinato actually is a very notable musician, and contest regardless that belief is not a basis for deleting (or, I accede, including) an article. Further, with precedence on my side, there are people who have contributed far less to far smaller communities who are featured on Wikipedia.

As for your "failure" to find information on the web about him, don't get down on yourself. For one thing, being a naturally introverted person, he hardly publicizes himself, with the exception of his webpage. Any other information to be obtained about him via the web is completely dependent on people who feel it necessary to say something about him; and although they are relatively few, if you would like, I could compile a list of websites that impart information about him. At that, I must admit that about 75 percent of the information in the article, although absolutely true, is original research. It is difficult to be in touch with someone who contributes to society so significantly, and yet not be able to post these contributions on Wikipedia simply on the technicality that I got the information directly from Sinato himself. Do you have any suggestions on how I might circumvent this?

Having said all that, I appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia (and note that they are indeed many) and thank you for having a watchful eye out for articles that actually do need speedy deletion. V-Man737 00:07, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response, V-man. I fully understand how you feel, but I still feel that there is no evidence that Remi Sinato actually was notable in Utah. How can we reference him in the article if I can't even find any 3rd-party references on the guy? Also, you said he led a electronic music revolution in Utah, and that appears to be a fairly local "revolution". How much of an impact did this guy really have? Note that the guy also has to meet WP:MUSIC guidelines, so also take that into consideration. Nishkid64 00:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abaana

Hi there Nishkid64,

Am not happy with the deletion of Abaana as is not a non-notable organisation - for starters it is an international charity, and gets numerous hits with google, many of them from other charity websites. Have remade the article but want the content back please. I think it was a mistake to delete on basis of non-notable CSD - you should IMHO have investigated further before pressing the delete button. Anyhow if you still disagree, then send it to an AFD or DelRev, and we can discuss further there.

Sorry I have also put up for deletion review, but that was before I found the page to search for past deletions.

Cheers Lethaniol 00:16, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

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Right well here you go (the comment on being shot was when I was very cross at the article being deleted and scarring away a noob - especially as you did not leave a message on the users page to tell them why you deleted - which is what we are meant to do. Note quantity does not equal quality):

On this website this charity is merging with Abaana [1] Is listed on a charity directory [2] And mentioned also here [3]

Not just on its (3) websites. Also on Scott Baxter, another article of User:Abaana that I nominated for CSD the User gives extra notability information that I no longer have access to - I think he stated financial info but you will have to check.

Now please put the content back, and if you wish open a Afd or DelRev. I think I have given enough notability info here. Lethaniol 00:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

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Thankyou for putting content back - it is 1am here in UK so must get some sleep. If you still want to AFD or DelRev then do so and we can discuss further tomorrow. Thanks Lethaniol 01:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

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The notability issue is one we could argue over, and will do in the AfD/DelRev, but I think that the one about deleting pages and leaving messages on user talk pages is not. It is a scary place for noobs, and to have your article deleted when you were obviously not vandalising is very painful - and will mean one less Wikipedian and more critic. You obviously pride yourself on dealing with vandalism and deletions - and you see the harsher side of Wikipedia - all the vandalism and trolling. But maybe you step back at think about the noob. They, in good faith make a article only to have it deleted, with no reason why at all given. When I am CSDing in these cases I try and leave a Welcome template and/or test template and also a reason as to why it will be deleted. Considering the amount you delete you could really help by being kind to such noobs. So no it may not be policy to leave messages (maybe it should) but consider more often - WP:BITE Lethaniol 01:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] decapentaplegic

There are many broken links for this term, why did you delete the entry? The term, used both as a noun and as an adjective, is well established in the literature (note the date):

The decapentaplegic gene complex (2-4.0) in Drosophila melanogaster is defined by a series of allelic mutations affecting imaginal disk development. Decapentaplegic (dpp) mutant individuals exhibit a variety of pattern deficiencies and duplications in structures derived from one or more of the 15 major imaginal disks. Based on dpp mutant phenotypes, we suggest that the dpp gene complex is involved in the elaboration of positional information within developing epidermal tissue. The dpp mutations are recessive and fall into six phenotypic classes. Milder alleles (classes I and II) affect only one or a few disks while most alleles (classes III, IV, V and EL) affect all major imaginal disks. Class EL homozygotes are embryonic lethals; development is arrested before germ-band shortening late in gastrulation. Presently inseparable from EL, is a haplo-insufficient function (Hin-d) associated with the distal (left) end of the dpp gene complex. The dpp gene complex occupies most or all of 22F1--3, three densely staining polytene chromosome bands. A colinearity exists between map positions of the four identified functional units within the complex and the severities of mutant phenotypes caused by disruption of these functions. Most dpp mutations are gross chromosomal rearrangements; they exert polar effects on the decapentaplegic functions that are proximal to the rearrangement breakpoints in 22F. Many structural similarities exist between the decapentaplegic and bithorax gene complexes.

Cell. 1982 Mar;28(3):451-61.

My initial entry wasn't correct --- the noun "decapentaplegic" refers to an entire gene complex instead of a single gene --- but it is definitely something deserving further explication, especially if "sonic hedgehog" has its own entry. Furthermore, as the abstract above illustrates, the adjective "decapentaplegic" refers to the 15 imaginal disks present in Drosophila melanogaster larvae (hence, "decapenta-") and to what I presume are the adverse effects associated with dpp (a well--established acronym, by the bye) mutations (hence, "-plegic").

Akulo 00:19, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I guessed I jumped the gun here. I deleted the article under CSD A1, which says an article can be speedy deleted if it is short (which your article was). I guess it is appropriate for your article be kept on Wikipedia, but you must expand the article. We cannot have one-line articles on Wikipedia that are not helpful, nor useful. Also, you must write it in encyclopedic form, so no sentence fragments, bad grammar, etc. Thanks! Nishkid64 01:06, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abaana

Hi there; with reference to this article about Abaana, a lesser known charity, I tend rather to agree with User:Lethaniol. The article appears to have been recreated, and certainly is doing no harm. For either he or I to mark it for {{AfD}} is not wholly sensible, as it would imply that we favour deletion, which we do not. Why not just leave it to lie there, and see what attention, if any, it attracts?

I agree - lets see what happens over next day or two - cool down and then you can decide if it deserves AFD or not. Right am def off to bed or will not get up to bed tomorrow. Lethaniol 01:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Again I have asked the original writer of the article to find more info - hopefully they will be able to. Cheers Lethaniol 01:31, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abaana

Hi there; I spend many hours trying not to offend anybody, not always completely successfully. As is apparent here; if I have offended you, please accept my sincere apologies.

Two points: the article is not my article;I merely found it and it seemed to me worthy of retention. Secondly, the point about age was made not by me initially but by User:Lethaniol. While clearly you are younger than most admins, if the wiki community have judged you suitable for the office, I would not feel it was my place to make adverse comment; nor do I have any reason to do so. I think that his comment perhaps related to the totality of complete life experience, which you can, if you wish, take up with him.

I do feel that the article, rather than being arbitrarily deleted, might well be processed through {{AfD}}. It seems to me that, as the person most eager to erase it, you should, if you wish, implement this procedure.

Is this the sort of thing you are looking for sokwanele on its website [4], lists Abaana as an International charity link. So if {Sokwanele) is notable and in its inclusion suggests that Abaana is International (something required of WP:ORG) and it states it works also outside of Africa. What more is required? I could spend longer searching the internet to find relevant links - but it is clear it is International in its outlook and projects, which it is spending £100,000's on - sounds enough!

As you correctly say, Abaana scores 14,000 hits on Google. How many would you like to make it notable? Think carefully here.--Anthony.bradbury 01:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, you quote WP:ORG. This site does not, as far as I can see, consider charities at all.--Anthony.bradbury 01:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Although I disapprove of the tone of your comments you made on my talk page (which I translate as you thinking that I am incapable of making decisions), I am dropping my case on Abaana. After looking it over, I have reconsidered the deletion, as it seems keeping the article would be of best interest for Wikipedia. By the way, 14000 hits is not a lot. Visit AfD, and you'll see many articles get deleted when they have 50k+ hits on Google. Nishkid64 21:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou for not nominating Abaana for deletion. I am sorry if the tone of the comments above has been taken the wrong way, I was trying to be civil. The comments left on Abaana's talk page were hasty and I am sorry, I have removed them from the page.

If the outcome of this is that we all inform noobs more often on the reasons for deleting their articles, I think Wikipedia will be the stronger - and something positive will have come out of these discussions. If you are interested I am thinking of suggesting a change to WP:CSD to reflect this there to - see User talk:ReyBrujo for the proposal.

Many thanks - Lethaniol 00:18, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

My RfA passed with a tally of 71/1/0. Thank you very much for your support. I hope that my performance as an admin will not disappoint you. Please let me know if you see me doing anything inappropriate. -- Donald Albury 02:24, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Shiny new buttons

[edit] Help

I found a really useless article and was wondering how to flag it for removal. It the article Zarrinshahr. Thanks for looking into it --Treva 18:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Treva135

Hi Nishkid. FYI, I have reinstated the indef block on User:Treva135 as he is persisting with his personal attacks despite further warnings. Best, Gwernol 20:50, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for letting me know. Treva appeared to be innocently asking what to do regarding CSD tags, and it would have been best to just explain why you can't delete articles on cities. However, he did get violent afterwards, so I have no disagreement with blocking him indefinitely. Nishkid64 22:06, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I got involved following CharlesKnight's posting to ANI: [5] - there were several problematic edits from Treva135 before and after the tagging of the city for CSD. Best, Gwernol 22:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

I was just wondering, why did you have the page "Team Recon" deleted and protected? Thank you for your time. Paulhitthewall 00:10, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism

I am sincerely sorry if my comment gave the impression that i felt that you were incapable of making decisions;that was absolutely not the imprssion that I intended to convey (and I re-iterate that the ageist comment was made by another editor, not by me). I felt that my comments related to the article (Abaana), not to your handling of it, and if that is not the way it came across please accept my sincere apologies.--Anthony.bradbury 00:46, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you.--Anthony.bradbury 00:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry to bug you, but after reporting twice, it hasn't worked...

User:Wikih8lulz needs to be outright banned for username, not just vandalism. User has 24 hour block only, but needs perm block for saying Wiki-hate lolz in his own username. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please take serious action

Niskid, my article has been vandalised personally by this Ip address 81.129.30.255 they haved added a notice that I' am impersonating a user. Please report it now, and have them warned.

[edit] Lee Smith category removal

Hey, just wondering about this edit. Why did you remove the Louisiana category? Are those going away or something? —Wknight94 (talk) 01:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, so it is! My bad... As you were...  :) —Wknight94 (talk) 01:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lucille Ball

Hey, any idea why Lucille Ball was protected? Would it have anything to do with a persistent AOL vandal? Strangely enough, he seems to have gone away (for now, at least) after I sent him a message telling him he was wasting his time. -- Jim Douglas ^(talk) _(contribs) 03:21, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

You'd think the AOL vandal would have gotten bored of it, but apparently not. I got tired of reverting him, so I requested reprotection. Man, I hate AOL -- they can vandalize with impunity because we can't block them; they just keep coming back on a new IP. -- Jim Douglas ^(talk) _(contribs) 23:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] =Abaana

Apologies if this is in the wrong place, or in approriate. My colleage set this page up on my request and before he had finsihed editing it has changed and it was all very confusing. I have tried to pick up where he left of, and I am finding people talking about what is "notable" and what is not "notable". I was finding it hard to follow who was saying what. so i wont comment on past comments. What I will say is that notability is objective. Nobaby will totally agree, and if you guys spend you time arguing over it you will waste many hours.

What will say is this. I have held I dieing bady in my arms, and wept becuase I didn't have enough money to help. I met children who have been abducted, raped and forced to kill. I have held hands with children who have AIDS, and I have sat with street children on my knee. Many of these children Abaana support. We support over 3,000 children on a daily bases, and we do it through sacrafice. However there are millions still in need, and to be honest if we measured the work on Google hits, on numbers we would miss the point. There is no price you can put on an individuals life. Saving one life is notable!

Thanks Abaana 23:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Arab scientists and scholars

Hi, I am the creator of this article List of Arab scientists and scholars, and the one who contriubted most of it. You protected now the article. The article was stable, until this edit was made [6]. So, can you please revert it to this stable version [7] or at least to the version of the adminstrator User:Alex_Bakharev, [8]. Thank you...Jidan 00:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi, please take note that User:Jidan is himself a party to the dispute, please see Talk:List_of_Arab_scientists_and_scholars#Disclaimer about the dispute and how most of the users are in disagreement with User:Jidan who is ignoring WP:OWN.The_Wrong_Version might be of interest here too. Regards. --ManiF 00:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)