Talk:Sainsbury's
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[edit] Ethics
Could a section on the ethics of this supermarket be added perchance?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.218.103.233 (talk • contribs) .
They are keen on pushing recycling to both staff and customers. They are also keen on Fairtrade, being the first supermarket to stock the first Fairtrade ice cream (along with selected Asdas) --Mattm591 21:07, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] J Sainsbury/Sainsbury's
Can someone with admin priviledge move this page to Sainsbury's in accordance with the MoS? Kokiri 10:25, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- J Sainsbury plc is the corporate name of the Sainsbury's Group and as such the page details the parts of that group. I don't think anybody following the link Sainsbury's will be shocked to arrive at J Sainsbury plc. Even if they were, the first part of the group that is detailed is Sainsbury's Supermarkets Ltd. - what most people will be looking for. To separate each part onto seperate pages would not help either, it would spoil what at the minute gives a very good overview of the group and would not be as effective on separate pages. I would argue the status quo should be maintained, but I am open to any other views. Regards, Mark 18:15, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- Further "J Sainsbury plc" is just that - a PLC, and listed on the stock exchange. To redirect links of J Sainsbury plc to Sainsbury's (e.g. from FTSE 100 Index) can only reduce the accuracy of Wikipedia.Mark 18:21, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I suggest this article be split. Kokiri 18:23, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- With Homebase and Shaws sold there's little left apart from the UK supermarkets, so I don't agree. Carina22 08:33, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Sainsbury's Bank
I had thought that Sainsbury's Bank was in conjunction with Halifax, not Bank of Scotland (they're technically the same company, but the branding is different, I think) --me_and 21:00, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
- No. Sainsbury's (55%) and Bank of Scotland (45%) established Saisnbury's bank in 1997. BOS and Halifax only merged in 2001.Mark83 17:52, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] What does this mean?
"To keep track of these large amounts of stock lines sainsburys uses the RSS system, however this system if floored due to human erro this causes stock problems. " Obviously erro -> error but I have absolutely no idea what an RSS system is, what flooring it would involve, what kind of problems might entail. Can this be clarified? Notinasnaid 10:27, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
RSS stands for Retek Stock Systems or Retail Store Systems (or a mixture of both, depending on who you ask)
It's the store element of a suite of Retek aplications that manage the Supply Chain
[edit] Template
Is that a template at bottom of page or just a table? If template what is the name? Charlie 14:36, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Slogans
the user Mark 83 keeps deleting the slogans section. His latest reason was that it "didn't need a heading". If you feel it can be included without a heading then do the edit, but DO NOT delete something because you don't like it and think it is "not importnat". The slogans are part of the company's history and were used to get customers to shop at the stores. Thus a business is built on them, mixed with quality and service. Just as important as anything. 74.65.39.59 21:40, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
The more recent edit by the user lawsonrob, is more correct. Made the corrections rather than just moan, force his POV on the rest of us and say "do it better". 74.65.39.59 21:46, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
- I did delete it yes, but once you raised your objections I tried to improve upon it. You then reverted my edits, i.e. did exactly what you accuse me of doing. As for slogans being "just as important as anything"? The reason Sainsbury's have been in trouble until recently was the fact shelves were not stocked and it had not countered high prices compared to Tesco and ASDA. The reason it's now turning a corner is almost entirely because the company has got the supply chain sorted and continues to invest in price decreases - while the slogan has played only a very small part in increased sales. Mark83 23:11, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
You miss the point. You didn't improve any of the edits, you deleted all of them - TWICE. Also, the slogans do not play a minor role, they play a major role. Slogans are the foundation commericals are based on. They get inside the public heads - hence the reason for having them in the 1st place. I did not imply that slogans have helped Sainsbury's recent increased sales, but that slogans help build the company from the first one used. "Good Food Cost Less At Sainsburys" got into the heads of the public. It worked and help make the company the NUMBER 1 supermarket for decades. Don't try and act like slogans and advertsing do not play a vital role in business - THEY DO! Look at Tesco ("Pile it high, sell it cheap" and "Every little helps"), Asda ("That's Asda price"), Mars Bars ("A Mars a day helps you work rest and play"), Heinz ("Beanz Meanz Heinz"), Esso ("The Esso Sign Means Happy Motoring") and so on.... these are important and vital for the advertising of business. Do you think Sainsbury's would have got as far as it had without good public advertising? 74.65.39.59 00:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Before you go mouthing off you should check your facts. The only time I removed them was this edit. You then replaced them with this edit. My next edit DID NOT delete the facts, it was simply a formatting change. I took your point about the slogans being important and tried to improve upon them which is surely what Wikipedia is about? Mark83 01:43, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Accpet my apologies for that comment then, my mistake entirley on that! 74.65.39.59
- "Pile it high, sell it cheap" was never a Tesco slogan, it was Jack Cohen's business philosophy. I'm not discounting the benefits of marketing, I'm just questioning the importance you seem to be placing on it. After all, it may have been losing market share to Tesco in the 1990s, but Sainsbury's was still flush with cash. If marketing is really so effective how did Sainsbury's get knocked into second place in '95? Surely they could have spent a fortune on marketing to fight back and regain number one status. Sainsbury's problem was people figured out "..food costs less" at Tesco and its pretty good too! The large list of slogans since then proves marketing cannot help a company which can't get the basics of its business right! Mark83 02:03, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Of course selling items cheaply and being good helps a company, I never said it didn't. However, my argument is it is that, WITH a mixture of good marketing. And no, Sainsburys couldn't have just fought back with a lot of adverts, it would be a mixture of all 3 - Good food, good prices and good marketing. Tesco's excelled on all three, (the slogan "every little helps" and the comic commericals really did get into public heads), that's why they took the #1 slot away from Sainsburys. And Sainsbury's themselfs DID prove advertising helps, in 2002, when they blew a fortune on commericals, got Jamie Oliver in and just fought off the growing Asda to retain the #2 slot that year, based on those adverts alone (although Asda pushed Sainsbury's to #3 in 2003) Ok, I may have been wrong with "Pile it High, Sell it cheap", but does that take away from the point I made? no. It wasn't the only example I gave, I gave plenty of others and all the others prove my point wonderfully, even If I do say so myself. 74.65.39.59 11:40, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- oh and I have to add (Re: John Cleese) just because you have a quote from a company dosen't mean it is a fact. It could just as easily be an excuse. Sainsbury's sales had been falling heavily for a number of years before, how do you think they lost the #1 postion to Tesco's in 1995? I think falling sales may have played a role in that, that is "the facts" 74.65.39.59
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- Yes, it could have just been an excuse and I have no problem with what you changed the article to. I have to say though, Sainsbury's were on a downhill slide and rather than using adverts to slam the brakes on I think it's widely accepted that the "Value to shout about" campaign put the foot on the accelerator! I think we're agreed advertising is important but can't do much to help a failing company. For example Asda pushed Sainsbury's into 2nd place in 2003 because by 2002/2003 Peter Davis' automated depots were onstream and failing dramatically to deliver what was promised (starting the now famous phenomenon of empty shelves). Mark83 12:09, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- I have to say I liked the John Cleese adverts and found them amusing. The thing that annoyed me most about them however was he was telling us there was value to shout about at Sainsbury's, yet, when you got to the store there was hardly any value at all (Tesco quailty for higher prices). I would say that the adverts could have worked, possibly, if the stores had lived up to the commericals trumpet blowing. 74.65.39.59
Yes, that was very intresting. Thank you. Indeed, I used to do that when i'd pop into Safeway to get the reduced deals they advertsied and then go to Tesco's for the rest. lol. 74.65.39.59 12:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- I think there was another slogan which you could add to the list that Sainsburys used in the early 1990s. I think it was something along the lines of 'Everything and the Essentials' but im not too sure if that was right I certainly remember Sainsbury having a slogan with the word Essentials in the early 90s. Also is it worth mentioning that I remember seeing on a list programme that some early 1990s Sainsburys advert had featured a pre fame Catherine Zeta Jones. --Wrh1973 09:15, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- The Catherine Zeta Jones advert was in 1992 and she did it for £100,000. "In 1992, she made a Sainsbury's commercial for £100,000" (http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,,798933,00.html)--Mattm591 17:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
