Talk:Tonia Kwiatkowski

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Hate to create a stub, but there's not much about her on the web. Fang Aili 22:05, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] POV and unsourced

The recent large addition of text is highly slanted towards Kwiatkowski, and is unsourced. I have asked the anon editor who made the edits to confirm he/she actually wrote the material, and to provide sources. --Fang Aili ^talk 18:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tonia Kwiatkowski

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I wrote the recent additions to the Tonia Kwiatkowski page. As a competitive figure skater (currently competing in domestic and international masters-level (i.e. old people!) events, and preparing to take my senior-level (8th and final) USFSA skating test), much of what I wrote was based on my own knowledge, as I have watched competitive skating since the early 1980s, have many performances on tape, and personally know a number of elite-level skaters, judges and officials. When I was in doubt regarding details, I double checked my facts with video recordings and archival article research on lexis-nexis and other news databases.

Almost all of the competition event details I wrote about on the Tonia Kwiatkowski page were events which I either watched live, have seen recordings of, or both. For those details where written press coverage is available, would you like citations to those? I am uncertain, however, how to source things which can only be confirmed by watching a spoecific video, or more generally by watching coverage of the sport over a period of 2.5 decades. For example, my comment on Tonia's style development is based on watching her performances over many years. Because I saw these performances as they occurred (and can rewatch many of them using my own videos or those on youtube or various skating video-sharing online forums), I witnessed the progression in style over a long period of time. How does one source this obvious change in style and dress, or than to say it is self-evident if you watch videos and compare her appearance in 1990 with her appearance in 1996 and 1998?

I am also the author of the Karen Magnussen page, which, from my perspective, contains no more or less potentially biased statements.

I prefer to remain anonymous for the time being, so perhaps you can reply here which components of the Tonia Kwiatkowski article you believe are slanted towards her. I have no bias for or against the skater, but was merely reporting the qualitative nature of her competitive career beyond easily verifiable results, which was all that was on the page. Please also state which facts you think should have citations or sources. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.87.223.155 (talk • contribs) .

I would love to take your edits at face value. However everything on Wikipedia must be verifiable. What's self-evident to you might not be so to others. Whatever sources you have, please list them. They need not be online sources; you could cite "short program, 1992 U.S. Nationals", for example. (I wonder if some of her programs are available on youtube.com.) But I must stress that "qualitative nature" is not the same to everyone. If you're to state these points you must have sources to back them up. But thank you for taking the time to add to the article. I know it's hard to source everything, but we must strive to do so. Thanks. --Fang Aili ^talk 15:27, 30 July 2006 (UTC)