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Contents 1 Torrent Project 1.1 Archives 1.2 random ed2k stuff 1.3 Not doing too well 1.4 The aim of the project... 1.5 Pictures 1.6 Quick notice 1.7 Project impact assessment 1.8 Palm version of 2006 Wikipedia CD Selection 1.9 Comment 1.10 Version confusion

[edit] Torrent Project

News

• Spread word about the torrent project. Our number file concern is the wpcd.zip torrent, all other files are subordinate to it as well as any ed2k files.
• The new releases should be coming out in the near future.

[edit] Archives

• Archive 1-Trying to get the torrent to work.
• Archive 2-More...
• Archive 3-More.

[edit] random ed2k stuff

I think its possible to actually make the ed2k link a link that will open up in eDonkey2000 or eMule when clicked, im gonna try. Nominaladversary 18:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not doing too well

The wpcd.zip and .rar aren't doing too well...but the .iso is great. Anyone have an idea. Nominaladversary 12:03, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Difficult to compare, but the iso was the cleanest, and most recent implementation. The rar was clean but far fewer trackers than the iso. I am aware of only one tracker (seedleach) for the rar. The iso has that, plus phogotorrents, torrentbox, and the pirate bay. The zip seems weaker than the rar, could could be a combination of age, turbulent implementation of torrent. The zip and rar seem weaker than iso possibly because the iso format is considered by some to be more trustworthy than zip or rar. On eMule, the opposite relationship shows up, with demand being zip>rar>iso. Here the larger iso file size/download time appears to have more effect on P2P demand than in a torrent environment. My US$0.02 worth. -- Paleorthid 20:30, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Wooh, back from vacation. Anyway, there isn't much news or anything new going on. If anyone feels like it throw the files on limewire. We can't do anything about the status about any of the torrents, if people want to seed, they'll seed. All the torrents work, however in order for our goal to be reached (basically have users download the file this way...it should be faster), we'll need a lot more seeders. If you just look at OpenOffice, their releases are torrent based and have 50 seeders on standby to upload. I should be able to help out with the torrent uploading and edonkey uploading in the near future. Nominaladversary 22:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The aim of the project...

...if I am correct, is to distribute wikipedia over bittorrent? Is that individual articles, or everything on wikipedia? Whatever it is, it sounds like a good idea. Where do I sign up? Ultra Loser 02:25, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

It is either specific collections of articles or, in the case of the TomeWriter file type - potentially the whole of wikipedia without the illus. Obviously, our original focus is to distribute Version 1.0. This Torrent project is aimed at distribution versus preparation. We need to build a core group of seeders in anticipation of the release of versions 0.5, 1.0, test versions and other versions yet-to-be-designated. (Version 0.7 anyone?) Sign up here: we can definitely use your help. -- Paleorthid 16:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I second that. Our number 1 focus is bittorrent distribution, but we need more demand, only then can we increase our supply. I'm going to try to provide two sources for each file on bittorrent, and I wil eventually have to drop one source, but be able ot go full time 24/7 ed2k distribution. We need help!! 72.68.63.9 03:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry that was me up there ^ Nominaladversary 21:01, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

Folks, I am putting together some tools at User:Wikiwizzy/CDTools for assembling a CD. I have a problem with pictures - my connection here in South Africa is not even close to what is required to get the picture dump. Does anyone here have the full dump on a Linux/Unix machine ? At Wikipedia Talk:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team I am asking for help on another 18529 images - or rather, thumbnailed versions of them, that will probably run to about 400Meg - manageable for me. If I were to send you a simple shell script, could someone run it, and send me the resulting tarball ? Wizzy…☎ 09:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Hm, well I have some sort of idea what you're talking. I know this guy, I'll get back to you in a day or two. Nominaladversary 01:31, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Well I have no idea how to run a script on my Linux machine. Um there are a lot of things I still can't do on linux. However, I must say a picture dump compressed in tarball of all the images will be more than 400mb, it just seems like it would be over. I'm sure there is someone who can help you. But if you want, I could try, somehow using the script, so email me at nominaladversary_AT_gmail.com . Besides that, just post at forums. Nominaladversary 21:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

It is not all the pictures I want - just those from User:BozMo/wpcd2, and they will all be thumbnailed. Wizzy…☎ 07:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Running a script on linux is easy. You run chmod a+x name_of_script then ./name_of_script. I just don't have the picture dump, so I can't do it. Ultra-Loser Talk / Contributions 00:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikiwizzy, i never got the script? Um...I'm confused. Nominaladversary 23:30, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I have a linux server (running ubuntu) that I could perhaps get you an SSH acocount for, and you could use it to get the dump if you wish. Let me know if this is worth it and I'll get an account set up for you. 48v 23:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I have a linux server that is being used to run scripts on WP dumps, where you could run your own scripts as well (and find others to work with); see also Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikidemia/Quant. Let me know -- +sj + 02:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quick notice

I'm sure you guys have seen, but if you haven't. Download links for torrents are down, except for the googlepages one. Um, some of the torrent sites like to move the page and...therefore the torrents appear to be "Non existant". Or some places change the direct d/l link to the info page. This won't be a problem for most people, but it still will be one. Nominaladversary 01:39, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

As said here: "Trackers are the primary reason for a damaged BitTorrent swarm". I didn't put any effort to maintaining the tracker links, re-loading dropped torrents, etc. after August 9, 2006. That was not good, and it had more of an impact than I anticipated. -- Paleorthid 17:16, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

GUYS! The aim of this project was to make an alternate download of the wikipedia cd. Technically, yeah we did, but torrents make downloads go faster. Yeah yeah, i know we have about 5 uploaders, so a little bit of more word spreading. We can't really say "download the cd using a torrent" until we have a definte amount of people uploading to make the file d/l faster than....say 120 kbps? Nominaladversary 01:39, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

We can ask for seeders from within WP - I think the Editorial Team-ers are candidates for this and should be approached.

We can ask for seeders from outside WP in various ways -

1. Noting the need for seeders in the various torrent upload posts.
2. Packaging the torrent with a text file with a request for seeders to join WikiPedia and this project. Private trackers often require a similar approach to warn folks of private tracker requirements for participation, and post methods for doing this. We would piggy-back onto these requirements, assuming this is acceptable to the private tracker.
3. The CD/DVD could include a similar message, perhaps in a readme file, but the Editorial Team would need to approached and process a request. -- Paleorthid 17:16, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Approaching the rest of the Editorial Team would work, and another news update on the community when Version 0.5 and WPCD2 releases. Nominaladversary 21:00, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I know i know, everyone has been doing a lot of work on this already, so i guess we just need more people? I have a question, if someoen had a server, or rented one, or whatever---i dont know, they bought hosting and stuff, is it possible to have that server be multiple seeders? thanks. Nominaladversary 01:39, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if this will help, but there will be two new offline releases coming ready in the next month or so - WPCD2 (about 5000 articles) and Version 0.5 (about 1700 articles). Hopefully these releases will heighten interest in this project as well. Walkerma 02:45, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

About the 1-server-to-many-seeder thought: the BitTorrent protocol makes that a low reward option. But about the dedicated server - any ideas on how to approach Wikipedia for a bit of server space? Maybe we could use an admin, even a bureaucrat, on the project to help us flesh out this idea. -- Paleorthid 17:16, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

In response to Walkerma, well, the only thing we can do, is pretty much what you want us to do with all the files. We can start uploading both of the new releases as soon as they come out. Nominaladversary 20:56, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project impact assessment

I went through my personal seeder/leacher stats from μTorrent and see that I passed along the equivalent of 70 copies of the 2006 Wikipedia CD selection in its various forms (zip:7-rar:13-iso:50). I probably contributed another 20 copies using eMule (ed2k and Kad Network). I figure another 2 participants did a similar volume. Multiply that by another 2 to 20, my gut feeling based on the swarm size I was looking at through my knothole, and I estimate between 540 and 5,400 uploads sparked by this project in a period of weeks. If we knew then what we know now, we could have multiplied that spread by another 5-10X. This compares to 27,000 downloads times xx copies (!) of the wpcd.zip file directly from the originating site over a period of months. Admittedly that is a pretty loose and simplistic metric to apply to what we did, but it is clearly encouraging at many levels. -- revised Paleorthid 14:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

If anyone wanted to know, the avg speed on emule is 120 kbps for the wpcd.zip. However, there is no .rar or .iso support of the file on the network. Its alright, zip is more common. Good job you guys. Nominaladversary 02:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Palm version of 2006 Wikipedia CD Selection

Wikiwizzy has an ftp link to a Palm version of 2006 Wikipedia CD Selection. WikiWizzy is the creator (is that the right term?) and is OK with the project distributing it. I'll note my progress on an active project page. - Paleorthid 16:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

Um, I think .rar version of the wpcd has died, or is close to death. I can repack the zip version using winrar and put it up on emule. I can't use azureus right now, so yeah. I'm gonna try to put the wpcd.rar somewhere on the web to download and then seed (not leech then download), so you can use your browser to download, you get the idea. Nominaladversary 03:10, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I take half of that back, its dead on the torrent network, not emule. Nominaladversary 03:19, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Version confusion

I hope we can be more attuned to accurate version naming the next go-around. I get heartburn over our project continuing to imply here that the 2006 Wikipedia CD Selection (wpcd.zip) is equivalent to the far in the future DVD-sized Version 1.0 Release. Now that WPCD2 is about to come out, let's be sure not to similarly equate it inaccurately it with version 0.5. -- Paleorthid 18:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Clarifying information:

• WPCD is synonymous with 2006 Wikipedia CD Selection and the wpcd.zip file available from here. Like WPCD2, it is associated with Category:Wikipedia_CD_Selection.

1. Wikipedia_talk:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Archive_7#2006_Wikipedia_CD_Selection (April 2006): WPCD was referred to as "2006 Wikipedia CD Selection".
2. Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations: Refers to WPCD as a "previous offline release"..."Test Version, 2000 articles, released in January 2006."
3. Category:Wikipedia CD Selection confirms WPCD referred to as "2006 Wikipedia CD Selection".
4. Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Test Version: about WPCD: BozMo's group has already released a version with 2000 articles and some level of organized quality control and standards, see browsable CD edition & Download Wikipedia CD

• WPCD2 is associated with {{WPCD}}, and Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Test Version. Like WPCD, it is associated with Category:Wikipedia_CD_Selection .

1. Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Test Version: about WPCD2: The current aim is to extend the list of 2000 articles to around 5000 articles for a second release toward the end of the year. Help selecting articles which are suitable would be appreciated. This may merge with Version 0.5 (discussion underway). ... Pages which are included or candidates for the next version can be added by anyone by adding the talk page to Category:Wikipedia_CD_Selection or tagging {{WPCD}}.

1. Category:Wikipedia CD Selection: refers to WPCD2 as the next version of 2006 Wikipedia CD Selection.
2. Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team: Refers twice to WPCD2 as the test version and a subproject of Version 1.0.
3. Wikipedia:Version 0.5 Nominations: WPCD2 is being referred to as "the Test Version sponsored by BozMo and an external organization".

• The Version 0.5 Release of Wikipedia is termed a test release. The term "release" distinguishes it consistently, albeit weakly, from the test version above. It is associated with {{0.5 nom}}.

1. Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team: Version 0.5 is a test release that will operate in tandem with Version 1.0, and help pave the way.
2. Wikipedia:Version 0.5 and Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Release Version Criteria: Version 0.5 is a test release.
3. Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations: Refers to Ver 0.5 as one of two "previous offline releases"...Wikipedia:Version 0.5 (CD not yet released, but general nominations now closed).

Revised -- Paleorthid 23:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)