Talk:Wraith Hive-Ship
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I put as much info as I could find from every fan site and offical sites I hope its enough for you all... if I am leaving something out edit away! Hope you all dont mind me starting a Wraith Hive ship topic i just saw there wasnt one and it bothered me.
- Where did you get the ship dimensions from? There are no official stats as far as I know. -Jarnin
[edit] Hive specs incorrect!
You have stated that the hive is 5545M long which would make it 18483ft or 3.5 Mi long. As far as I know, the Deadalus is a mere 335 M which would make it 1117 ft long. The Deadalus goes into the hive 12 times (I measured on an image) which would make a hive 13404ft or 2.5 Mi. only. Is the Deadalus bigger than 1117ft or what exactly? I measured using the pic found on the page. I also measured using a hi-res photo http://www.thescifiworld.net/img/zocalo/sga_2x20/sga-2x20-152.jpg and I got the same figure. Also, based on my measuments, the hive from the widest portion near the rear, it is 7.5 Deadalus size ships across which would make it 8377 ft or 1.5 Mi across. The figure of 3970 m would reflect that it is 16566ft or 3.1 Mi across. I have trouble converting back into meters so I guess that is up to whoever reads this but I use Ft and miles not the metric systems so I have trouble converting back to metric.
Also, I am having trouble believing that a hive carries double what a Ha'tak carries darts wise. We've seen hundreds of darts fly out of hive ships in "The Siege pts 1-3", granted that was 2 hives worth but I doubt they sent them all. Also, in "The hive" there are hundreds of darts flying out of each hive ship while they cull the planet and battle eachother as started by Sheppard. This needs to be updated as well. If I'm missing anything, let me know.
And one more thing, the Hive weapon system is NOT 2x more than that of the a Ha'tak. For one, the ships are bigger and would use better weapons for one. Other than that I don't have much more reference material at hand. In "Allies", the season finale, the Deadalus was struck by 2 hive energy blasts and was moderately damaged, it would probably be because of advanced armor in the hull or something like that but maybe it was a smaller strength burst. And the bursts appear to be bigger than that which a Ha'tak fires.
Thanks, Faris,
- uh, dude, i didnt exactly exactly measure, i just went by sight, but i could fit 12 daedalus in like 1/3 to 1/2 of the ship... but thats just me... i dont care too much about all this technical shit anyways... -Xornok 03:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Guys, I'm going to replace all size measurements with "Unknown" since, frankly, we don't know. The length and width were determined by comparing the two pictures, but that actually won't work since we don't even know the Daedalus's correct size and, as such, can't use it as a reference. Until we get some kind of official source, we're in the dark. JBK405 19:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Who's to say the Wraith can't build more Hive ships?
I would say it's pretty stupid to assume they can't. I mean, the Goa'uld can build more Ha'taks and the Ori can build more ships, seeing as how a Hive ship is about 90% organic, I guess they could grow one up pretty quickly and put in all the technological innards like life support and weapons.
Also we know the Wraith can definately reproduce, they just tend not to seeing as how they can live forever so who's to say that new female Wraith (like Ellia) can't claim queenship and start a new hive? This issue hasn't seemed to have been touched either on the show or otherwise.
--Faris b 08:15, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Stop Saying it fought the Daedalus to a stalemate
The Hive-Ship damaged by a nuclear warhead in the opening of Season Three did not fight the Daedalus to a standstill, the Daedalus was extremely damaged by the other Hive-Ship (Killed by the Orion) and that's why its shields failed. Also, at the end of the battle it was in better shape than the Hive-Ship, so even if it was simply a one-on-one fight it didn't end in a stalemate. The Daedalus lost Life-Support, the Hive-Ship lost pretty much everything and couldn't even fire one more shot (If it could it would have, and thus destroyed the Daedalus). JBK405 20:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
And along the same vein, don't say that it beat down the Daedalus's shields, either. The Daedalus was already damaged when it went into that fight (From the ambush in Allies) and, as I said before, there were two Hive-Ships at the battle, the Daedalus was already shot by the other Hive-Ship before its shields collapsed. As shown in The Siege (Part III), it took 10 Hive-Ships working together to take down the Daedalus's shields in anything approaching a short time. JBK405 22:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Shields
Why is it that hive ships don't have shields? I'm glad they don't otherwise they'd be completely unbeatable. Is it power generation or just lack of the knowledge or just because the Ancients almost always used drones which can go through shields?
I'm assuming it's either the 1st or the 3rd one because a hive ship is over 2 miles long and about a mile wide, Atlantis is larger than that and requires a ZPM for shields, now since Wraith don't have ZPM's they can't use shields because of the size of the ship, they DO have shield technology, the canopy of a dart is a shield after all so I'm assuming it's a power generation ability, also, if a Wraith could activate the jumper shield (which requires system tweaking) so quickly, we must assume they are familiar with the technology.
The drone weapon answer wouldn't make sense though because they would have used their shields when the Daedalus and such fought them, if their only defense against it was that jamming code, we must assume they don't have shields onboard the ship, they likely have the technology but not the ability.
Anyone else have any thoughts?
Faris b 18:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
"It has been theorised that the Wraith, instead of being incapable of constructing shielding devices, instead chose to omit them from their combat vessels due to their primary adversaries before the arrival of the Tau'ri in the Pegasus galaxy. The Ancients, the initial combatants against the Wraith, used Drone Weapons as their primary offensive weaponry and, though it has yet to be definitively established, the Drone Weapons appear to pass through shielding unhindered. With nothing to be gained by maintaing shield systems aboard the ships, the Wraith may have removed them."
I removed this from the "Offensive and defensive systems" section because, though I actually find it to be quite likely, it's primarily conjecture and, as such, can't be on the main article page. JBK405 19:19, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Speed?
Where did the 75 PSL measurement come from, I can't recall any episode where that was mentioned. Does anybody have a source? JBK405 20:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't know, but the size specs came from me, I made them based on measurements of the hive compared to the Daedalus in "Allies" on the monitor screen.
Faris b 20:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Yup, I saw that earlier on the Talk page. However, since we don't know the size of the Daedalus, it can't be used as the point of reference; multiplying X by 13 just gives you 13X, not a definite number. JBK405 01:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Second largest ships in the Stargate universe?
The article says that "Wraith Hive-Ships are the second largest known ships in the Stargate universe" are we sure about that? what about Apophis' giant mothership that he used in The Serpent's Venom and Exodus (Part 1)? it was huge compared to the standard Ha'tak motherships, and I think it might even be as big as a Hive ship (just my opinion). 70.17.141.239 18:35, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
No, it may have been about 2x or more of a Ha'tak but a Ha'tak is likely about 20x smaller than a hive ship.
Faris b 20:19, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
- I think it was bigger than 2x... As you can see in this image with a fleet of Ha'tak surrounding it, Apophis' ship looks much larger than 2x. To me, it looks about 4x larger than a Ha'tak. But if a hive ship is 20x larger than a Hat'ak, then Apophis' ship is still smaller than a hive ship.
151.203.153.214 23:08, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Oh that one, sorry, I thought you were talking about a different ship, yeah that's big but there is a pic of the Daedalus and Hive ship comparison on the main page and from several episodes of SG-1, a Daedalus class ship is shown being 2x that of a Ha'tak and the Daedalus is about 14x or so smaller than a hive ship.
Faris b 15:07, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Are we sure the Daedalus class ships are 2x larger than a Ha'tak? these images: [1] [2][3][4] all seem to indicate that the Daedalus class ships are smaller than the Ha'tak. Though, the scaling on the show seems terible. ships always seem to be a different size in every episode (I've read several fourms where people argue and complain about the scaling). 141.154.155.110 19:38, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't know, you can't really use the screenshots from "Company of Thieves" because the viewpoint is terrible, the one from "Off the Grid" maybe though. I was using the battle at the end of "Camelot" for scaling but as you said, the forums which I too have read say that the sizing in "Camelot" way way off so maybe it's about 2/3 as long as a Ha'tak. I don't know, I just can't believe that Earth wouldn't build a ship bigger than a Ha'tak, after all, isn't that why they were built? To face off against Ha'tak in battle?
Faris b 02:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- Well, these ships take a lot of time, money, and resources to build, so building smaller ships would be quicker, cheaper, and wouldn't require as much resources as building a large ship would. Basically, the way I see it, it's better to build several medium-sized ships, instead of just one huge ship (A large ship would take too much time, money and resources to build). I don't think the size of a ship is as important as the technology it uses (A small ship with a massive amount of firepower is just as good as a large ship with similar firepower. The Defiant from Star Trek: DS9 is a good example of a small ship that is superior to many larger ships). Anyway, at this point, it's almost impossible to really know how big the Daedalus class ships are becuase of the scaling issues. Though I myself think the 2/3 as long as a Ha'tak esimate is the most realistic. If the Daedalus is actually 2/3 the length of a Ha'tak, than that throws off the scaling of Hive ships (making them smaller). But I don't think we'll know for sure until the official specs for any of these ships are revealed (if they are ever revealed). 70.109.234.82 04:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
