Talk:Nissan Skyline

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Contents 1 External links section 2 GT-R 3 GT-R Turbos Stock & N1 4 Most overrated car ever? 5 UK SALES FIGURES 6 One of the fastest all-around cars in the world 7 The future in the United States = Press release 8 HR31 Skylines 9 GT-R Engine Confirmed? 10 1952? 1955? 1957? Which is it? 11 DR30 Specs 12 Attesa 13 Move engine & GT-R information?

[edit] External links section

Apart from the potential size it could become i think informative websites and (Skyline) related car club websites should be both allowed in this section, and clubs should be allowed whether or not it is a localised club or not - some clubs can have a hard time attracting new members and having a link to their site on this would be invaluable.

However i think at the minimum the club should be officially incorporated or otherwise as a genuine car club, i can personally vouch for Skylines Downunder (skylinesdownunder.com) and Southern Skyline Enthusiasts (southernskylines.com) - both are incorporated and well established.

If fansites are included then the page will become redicuously long, i had my site in that section for a while (godzilla.netfirms.com) but won't be including it again for a number of reasons.

I just thought i'd bring this up as a few people seem to be cropping the list of external sites every now and then without (seemingly) too much thought behind it. User:SkylineObsession

[edit] GT-R

The first GT-R Skyline appeared in February 1969. Called the PGC-10 internally, it used the 2.0 L <-- change the PGC 10 to KGC 10

Most overrated car in the history of automobiles CJW 70.26.11.45 00:00, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

who here actualy owns a skyline?User:spinnanz

I'm sure there are a lot, but GT-R? I highly doubt. 1698

I have an r33 gts25t, drove an r32 GTR a workmate owns, made my car feel so slow :( I'll have to post some pics in the article of thr r32 gtr next to a standard r32 so the differences can be seen User:spinnanz

I have an R32 GTS-4 Skyline. User:SkylineObsession

How about a bit on model names the factory gave to Skylines in reference to adverts, like Ken-Mary (C110), Newman(R30). There was one called Jade and Hakosuka(c10)

I rem the Paul Newman edition R30, I donk know of the diff between it and the normal R30's. User:spinnanz

[edit] GT-R Turbos Stock & N1

I see there's a bit of changing going on with regard to GT-R turbos. I think that what is in the article now is not correct, but I'm not going to change it now. Specifically, according to my information, the R34 N1 turbo supports higher power than the R33 N1 turbo. Here's the information I have, if you have more information or different information, please contribute:

Stock Turbo

• R32 GT-R - Compressor A/R 0.42 Turbine A/R 0.48 Ceramic Turbine, Sleeve Bearing
• R33 GT-R - Compressor A/R 0.42 Turbine A/R 0.48 Ceramic Turbine, Ball(?) Bearing
• R34 GT-R - Compressor A/R 0.53 Turbine A/R 0.48 Steel Turbine, Ball Bearing

N1 Turbo

• R32 GT-R - Compressor A/R 0.42 Turbine A/R 0.64 Steel Turbine, Sleeve Bearing
• R33 GT-R - Compressor A/R 0.42 Turbine A/R 0.64 Steel Turbine, Sleeve Bearing
• R34 GT-R - Compressor A/R 0.53 Turbine A/R 0.64 Steel Turbine, Ball Bearing

All the compressor & turbine housings are identical externally (including size), apart from A/R markings. The difference are in the internal machining, the shape of the wheels, and the core. The standard R32 & R33 turbos have slightly different compressor characteristics, even though the A/R is the same. The N1 R32 & R33 turbos are identical, no changes made between models.

To further confuse thing, Nissan/Garrett produced another lot of turbos for Group A. I've got conflicting information about that. 210.0.100.153 10:26, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Most overrated car ever?

Most overrated car in the history of automobiles. Perhaps a tie with the Toyota Supra CJ DUB 18:22, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Do u have nothing better to do than pop ur POV all over the talk page? Put down some facts if u have something to say. --Preveen 13:21, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UK SALES FIGURES

Only 80 r34 were imported in uk from T to 53 plate

What has the number of how many cars were imported somwhere got to do with how good they are? if thet were the case the mazda MX5 is the best sports car in the world.

Question for the experts? Were there any Nissan Skylines(year or model) that were ever illegal in the US, if so what years and models? Please e-mail results to: silentkhaos9@earthlink.net or send to my wikipedia page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Silentkhaos9 or just post them up here on this Nissan Skyline wikipedia page, any are fine. Need to know for a school paper (Need info. as soon as possible, Paper due: May 2006) plus for my own knowledge. Thank you!

[edit] One of the fastest all-around cars in the world

"In 1999, a revised chassis and incremental updates to the GT-R model proved once and for all that the R34 was one of the fastest all-around cars in the world. It has held many track records and won many JGTC championships."

Im aware that the Skyline GTR's are fast cars, but saying its "One of the fastest all-round cars in the world" is a bit questionable. Fast, yes, but what about the likes of the Porsche 911? Also, a JGTC Skyline is extremely different from a road going Skyline. In America, if Ford said that the Ford Fusion could reach speeds over 180mph, they'd be lying. So the same should apply here.

Porsche 911 is a comparable car in performance. For example watch Best Motoring International Vol 2., Vol 3., unmodified 911s & 966s race unmodified GT-Rs amongst others. The sentence was "one of the fastest" not "the fastest" and it is. JGTC cars are restricted in output, some of the special edition Skylines are more powerful. 210.0.100.153 12:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

HAHAHA. No it's not. Skylines are overrated. Stock, showroom Porsche 911s are by leaps and bound superior performers to stock and BUYABLE Skylines (i.e. no one off or Z-tune nonsense). CJ DUB 02:45, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I enjoy the futility of arguing about cars on the internet. The Nurburgring production lap record was set by all the R32-34 GTRs upon their debut. The superior Porsche 911s could not match the GTRs speed, even with more horsepower to draw upon. It was a Porsche 966 that finally beat the R34 record. 210.0.100.153 06:03, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Do you all want to keep going? Or stop like you should? This is a talk page that contains article related discussion. This has obviously degraded into something else.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 18:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

The Nordschleife is one of the measures of a sports car. Several times in recent history, a GT-R has been the fastest production car on the Ring. This (or other concrete measures) would qualify the statement. Otherwise perhaps it should be removed? 210.0.100.153 09:13, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Stop living in the past. The Skyline has rested on its laurels; the lap times you speak of were surpassed YEARS ago. Have a look here: 1. You can see that the best Skyline record was rapidly eclipsed by a Porsche 993 and a few years later by the Corvette C5/Z06, not the new one. CJ DUB 06:59, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

CJ doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, nor should he talk shit about cars he could never afford

[edit] The future in the United States = Press release

I dunno about you, but this looks to me like a copy/paste of a press release, which is a violation of Wikipedia rules? --293.xx.xxx.xx 07:16, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I think (and its only I THINK until I find it) this was an entry in an auto blog or summin. The facts are right, but I agree that its PROBABLY a copy and paste. I'll look for the source article. And If I find it, I'll see about editing the section. --Preveen 12:55, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] HR31 Skylines

I've edited the information regarding the R31 series skylines, in particular the redtop RB20DET motors. It seems many people don't know that there exists 3 distinctly different redtop RB20 variants;

-the early "NICS" motors which are identifiable by a NICS plate on the top of the intake, and the use of twelve small intake runners from the plenum to the cylinder head, leading to a butterfly plate which reduces effective port size at low revs for better response (basically closes off 6 runners). Tentatively I'd say these were 1986-late 1987 production.

-the later "ECCS" motors which adopt the ECCS system, as well as a new manifold with six much larger runners instead of 12 small ones, but still retains the butterfly plate. The turbocharger is slightly better than the NICS item, and the electronics slightly more sophisticated. My best guess is that the ECCS motors were from late 1987/early 1988 until production ended, my personal car, a 1988 HR31 GTS coupe, has the ECCS motor.

- RB20DET-R "ECCS" with a large T04(?) sized turbo on a stainless steel tube manifold, and a large front mounted intercooler. This motor was fitted to the limited Group A homologation production of the HR31 GTS-R, and made 210ps. It may or may not have different camshafts and other internal differences. It is possibly identifiable by the "RB20DET-R" intake manifold badge.

Please note the HR31 ECCS motor and the HCR32 ECCS motors are NOT the same, the block, head, intake manifolds, turbos, electronics and many other components are completely different.

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220.253.133.29 13:19, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the information, I had been wondering about that. The old ECCS thing is funny, it's a JECS board, which was a joint Nissan/Bosch venture. Was NICS a Nissan only effort? I found it strange that I used to have ECCS on a 1984 L20ET, and yet there were RBs later than that running on something else. It'd be nice to know the history behind the engine control. 210.0.100.153 23:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GT-R Engine Confirmed?

GT-R Engine VQ36DETT

According to this, it is a 3.6L twin turbo. This front is quite different again from the Tokyo Auto Salon prototype, has some family resemblance to the BNR34 to my eyes. Still waiting for some different sources. Anyone else seen anything?

Also it's got a big Skyline badge between the signature afterburners. So perhaps it will be a Skyline after all? RB30DE 21:54, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I do believe I have seen those shots before, and I wouldn't be so quick to consider it accurate. Show an announcement from nissan stating such, or confirmations independent of this site and it would be worth noting. If it goes in the article for now be sure to note the fact that it is as of this moment simply as claim made by an independent web site.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 05:22, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1952? 1955? 1957? Which is it?

Right now we have three conflicting years for the introduction of the Skyline. The model history says '52, the sidebar says '57 and '55. Can anyone shed some light into this? Bal00 00:42, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I found a source for 1955 so added that, in the absence of anything else. RB30DE 23:01, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Found [Nissan] themselves saying 1957 so changed it to that. RB30DE 07:49, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DR30 Specs

Just wanted to point out that to the contrary, the DR30 in RS-X spec was available factory-intercooled. the lesser RS spec was not. However both versions did not use a blow-off-valve.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.129.38.209 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Attesa

Did the Skylines come out with the ATTESA system? Don't confuse this with the ATTESA E-TS system... I haven't looked through the article for Viscous yet however this showed up in search. I think Viscous diffs are used in ATTESA and electronically controlled ones used in ATTESA E-TS. --203.118.135.21 18:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC) (NzHamstar)

Also how come all the photos are from New Zealand lol... --203.118.135.21 18:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC) (NzHamstar)

becuause no one else posts up pictures and theres heaps of then in NZ, I work with 70 other people at my work and between us there is 2 r32 gts coups, 1 r32 gts25 sedan, 1 r32 GTR, 1 r33 gts25 coupe and 1 r33 gts25t seadn. Re the Q above, 4wd skylines use the attesa ETS system. User:spinnanz

[edit] Move engine & GT-R information?

This article is reasonably long now, and contains a fair bit of detail about the RB engines and the GT-Rs. How about moving some of the detail to Nissan RB engine & Nissan Skyline GT-R? Also Nismo GT-R Z-Tune is a bit of orphan, how about merging that into Nissan Skyline GT-R? RB30DE 22:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)