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Contents 1 Moving articles 2 Image tag 3 Cao Cao 4 Cao Xiong 5 RfC: Tan 6 The Clans 7 Qian Zhongshu 8 Thanks from Boil1202 9 Three Kingdoms exploits 10 Aesop's Fables and template:seemain 11 The North Wind and the Sun 12 Huang Hao 13 Aesop 13.1 Not Cop 14 Jiangjun 15 Three Kingdoms 15.1 Help 16 Lü Bu 17 Sun (disambiguation) 18 Question--Beijing Opera 19 Xu Huang 20 Aesop 21 Analects/Confucius 22 German 23 Chinese Telephone Numbering Plan 24 Qian 25 Chinese maps 26 Maps 27 Some Help Needed on AFD 28 DYK 29 Sister Cities: List or Paragraph...??? 30 Image Tagging Image:Lu Xun.jpg 31 infoboxes 32 Image copyright problem with Image:Eileen Chang 1968.jpg 33 Image Tagging for Image:Eileen_Chang.jpg 34 Image copyright problem with Image:Eileen_Chang_Child.jpg 35 Image Tagging Image:Cao Cao Opera.jpg 36 Image Tagging Image:Qian Zhongshu.jpg 37 Maps of Fujian 38 Thanks... 39 Asking for help 40 guan yu article 41 Unspecified source for Image:Aesop Marble Figure.jpg 42 Orphaned fair use image (Image:Quasimodo in Disney Animation.jpg)

[edit] Moving articles

I don't know about the issues entailed in moving Chinese courtesy name to Chinese style name, and checking the Talk: page didn't help me either. Please make sure, when moving articles, to give a clear rationale for why you're moving them, either in the note when you move them, or preferably, on the article's Talk page. Also, and this is what really spurred me to write you, after you move an article, check the "What links here" link on the lefthand side of the page, and go and change the wikilinks in those articles as appropriate, so that they point to the new article. Thanks for your time, and thanks for devoting your efforts to the wikipedia project! Tomer ^TALK 06:38, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

It's OK. What you did doesn't bother me, I just thought I'd give you a heads up. :-) You may find it difficult to move the article back as easily as it was moved the first time, because doing so would require overwriting an already existing page (i.e., a redirect page pointing to the new name). It will probably require that you communicate with a superuser/admin to accomplish the task. Your rationale for proposing to move it back sounds well-founded, but you might want to check first to make sure that the google hits are substantive, and not the result of a google bomb (albeit on a very small scale :-)) (inadvertent or otherwise). My only other recommendation is to bring up proposed moves on the Talk: pages first...and then wait a full week for input from other contributors before going through with the move. Also, it took me a minute to figure out how to get ahold of you (I'd forgotten your username :-/), so on talk pages, try to remember to "sign" your posts by ending them with four tildes ~ ~ ~ ~ (<- like that, only without the spaces in between). Tomer ^TALK 01:47, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image tag

I noticed you uploaded Image:Cao Cao.jpg, it would be great if you could give images an image copyright tag when you upload them. :) - Stoph 08:39, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for the advice, but i think i'd now re-upload the image under a new name. Who can i approach to delete the current image? --Plastictv 08:51, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Took care of that for you. Image:Cao Cao.jpg has been deleted. Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 09:16, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Didn't realize so much is involved in uploading an image... --Plastictv 15:51, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cao Cao

Speaking of Cao Cao, you're doing a great job, as far as I can tell! I'm impressed, keep up the good work! - Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 08:43, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Great knowing i'm being appreciated. :) --Plastictv 08:51, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cao Xiong

The date of Cao Xiong's birth is at the Japanese wikipedia. [1] If you do not believe me, please go ahead and see for yourself.

Tan 15:35, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

As you might have noticed, there are question marks behind those dates. And i'm quite sure the author of the Japanese article got the dates from one of the many Romance of the Three Kingdoms-related games around. --Plastictv 12:10, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for offering your help to copyedit the article, but please further familiarize yourself with the Manual of Style, particularly with regard to the bolding of terms. :) --Plastictv 12:58, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I kind of have been doing a thing where I bolded names the first time they were mentioned, but I had been hoping to locate something that would give me more specific guidance on that, specifically hoping I wouldn't have to go back and change stuff I'd done. :-). Thanks for pointing me to the Manual of Style. However, I couldn't actually find anything specifically referring to bolding, I may have overlooked it, if I did I apologise, but could you help me by directing me specifically to where bolding is discussed? I would like to make sure I follow the correct guidelines. Best regards, EvilPhoenix 16:33, May 21, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RfC: Tan

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Mr Tan is open; you might want to say a few things. JMBell° 14:21, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks but i don't have a personal opinion towards the user. And i'd prefer not to get too involved in the political aspects of Wikipedia, however inevitable or necessary that might be. --Plastictv 05:55, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Clans

I found the Clans at the end of the article sometimes too long. How about move the clan parts to seperate articles? For example, Cao Cao had 25 sons, and not all of them are noteworthy.--Skyfiler 02:42, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

Well at first i didn't see the point of linking to all the relatives at all. But you placed the links (many of them ghost ones) under "See also", which in my opinion looked messy (and readers wouldn't see at a glance how these other people are related to the person they're reading about). That's why i opened the Clans sections. i don't quite agree to opening up new articles just to contain the Clans info as it is merely supplementary. --Plastictv 04:05, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Qian Zhongshu

I've attempted to explain the situation in talk:Qian Zhongshu, do feel free to add your contribution. :) -- Tonync 16:21, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks from Boil1202

您好， 感谢您对"Ningde"的修改, 我是新来的, 对Wikipedia的认识很少, 英文程度也不好, 请多多给我指教。/boil1202

哈哈，你让我不知道要用什么语言回复你。 i guess i'll just say you're welcome. :) --Plastictv 03:43, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hello, My wife comes from Ningde. So I have been to Ningde. She and I admire your excellent English, which is our dream. But till now it haven't come true. Where are you come from? USA? Which state? Where is your hometown? I am glad to communicate with you. How about you?

Boil1202 04:54, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi, i guess i could say i hailed from Ningde, having spent ten years of my life there. My ancestral roots were in Gutian County, though i've never been there. And, oh my, my English is nowhere near excellent (as Mel Etitis might be quick to point out). Don't worry about your English. As long as you offer coherent and useful contents, someone will soon clean 'em up (like i had found out). :) --Plastictv 08:30, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi Plastictv, I have told my wife your message,and, I will push my wife to write more about Gutian County. I am a specialist at King Circuits Co. Ltd.. If you come Taoyuan, I and my wife will treat you to a meal. We are so glad to know you. I had wrote a small article about PBB (a restrictive hazardous substances, by RoHS). Could you help me to let the article more friendly? thanks!! Boil1202 01:57, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the meal in advance then. :) i do have been wanting to visit Taiwan for the longest time. Anyway i did what i can for PBB but i have next to zero knowledge in the matter. So it'd be good if you could provide more info on issues such as how PBBs are manufactured and their characteristics (a picture would be excellent).

i'd also be interested (putting myself in a reader's shoe) in what kind of restrictions exist outside Europe (such as in Taiwan and mainland China), since the only kind of control you mentioned and i could find is the RoHS.

--Plastictv 07:16, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I have seen the newest article "PBB" in Wikipedia. Thanks a lot. What you know about PBB has been much more than me. The structure of PBB like two benzene combine together. I have the structural drawing at a paper, but I don't know how to post it online now. The structure ofPBB(Polybrominated biphenyls) is more like biphenyl, "H" replaced by "Br". In EU, there are three environmental direction for electrical and electronic equipment: WEEE, RoHS, EuP. Europe is the most active area for environmental direction. Taiwan , mainland China, and USA just follow the standard of EU. There is another environmental direction, Kyoto Protocol in Japan. Boil1202 01:20, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oh my i've returned all my atoms and molecules to my bespectacled Chemistry teachers haha. And i really knew nothing about PBB prior to this. What you saw was the result of two hours of reading on the Internet.

Well correct me if i'm wrong, i understand PBBs to be a group of compounds, right? So what is the defining characteristic or structure of a PBB? What is its chemical formula? If you're able to scan the drawing you could either send it to my email at plastictv@gmail.com or upload it yourself onto Wikipedia database. Look for a link on the left that says "Upload File" or follow this link.

So does the Kyoto Protocol place restrictions on PBBs as well?

--Plastictv 08:22, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Three Kingdoms exploits

Hello, if you have some spare time, can you assist in editing the biographies Huang Zhong, Zhang Xiu, and Zhang Jiao? I'm very impressed by your knowledge of the characters during the Three Kingdoms era and look forward to your breathtaking revisions.

Hi, it's really more of an interest than knowledge. But i'll see what i can do for the three characters you specified, though i'm still working mainly on the characters of the Kingdom of Wei at present.

Please also open a new topic and sign off using four tildes (~). It will be automatically converted into your username and the datetime of your message. For a while i thought you were Boil1202.

--Plastictv 08:21, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Aesop's Fables and template:seemain

Seemain was used on the fables as well as Aesop. This is not seemain's intended use. Seemain was just an unclear version of subarticle, because main referred to something different in main than in seemain, compounded with the fact that their wording was the same. I think that the fables should probably be a subarticle of Aesop and I've made changes accordingly. If you disagree I suggest you go to Template talk:main and argue the need for a siblingarticle template. Just because a redirect breaks one thing doesn't mean it should be undone. You created a problem by misusing seemain and should solve this locally. --MarSch 3 July 2005 10:39 (UTC)

[edit] The North Wind and the Sun

Okay, I'll try to make clearer what I was trying to say. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 12:08, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi, i'm sorry but i'd think that the choice of the fable for the use of phonetic illustration is rather hmm... coincidental and (no offense meant) trivial. i'd like to rewrite the article, placing more focus on the moral of the fable (and maybe other relevant info if there's any), mentioning its use to illustrate phonetics only as a side point. What do you think? --Plastictv 15:12, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

I have no objection to you adding information about the fable itself and its moral, even putting it first and moving the information about its use to illustrated phonetics to a lower position (section 2 or 3 or something), but the fact is, people (like me) who are interested in phonetics and phonology really only know about this fable because we've read transcriptions of it in a dozen different languages. I didn't even know it was one of Aesop's fables until I did a Wikipedia search for the phrase "north wind and the sun". So add as much as you like to the article, but please don't delete the information I added. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 16:00, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi, it looks good. You're right about the narrow transcription saying "The North Wind and a Sun"; that's the way it's printed in the IPA Handbook, so if it's a mistake it isn't mine. But it probably isn't a mistake; I can easily imagine the [ð] of the being deleted after the [n] of an(d)' in rapid speech. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 19:36, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Huang Hao

I think you would agree that his section in Wikipedia is appaling, some idiot entered in one line about him. Unfortunately I don't know much about him, I'm pretty sure you could do a much better job, so if you have some spare time could you look into him please? --Tiresais 14:56, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm quite sure the "idiot" would have every good intention to make Wikipedia more complete. Nevertheless, i shall try my best to expand the stub on Huang Hao. --Plastictv 15:09, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Maybe they did, but they entered one line that is a matter of opinion anyway... Never mind... I was just tired and cranky at the time. --Tiresais 18:04, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Aesop

I'd like to suggest you've been a bit quick on the trigger here. Granted that the writing you deleted was badly written, most of it was, indeed, encyclopedic. In some contexts, statements such as The first great writer of great short fiction who ever lived... might be mere opinion, but Aesop's place among literary giants is undisputed. The flaw is in style, not content.

I offer you the task of improving this project, not by eliminating poorly-written text, but by bettering it. For example, the anon wrote: It is said the oracle at Delphi put Aesop to death out of jealousy. I‘m not surprised. You might drop the note of personal astonishment, first; then do a little research. Did the Oracle indeed command Aesop's death? Or does such a legend exist? Either way, can you source it?

It is a great weakness of the wiki universe that it is so much easier to destroy than to build. It is the work of a moment to touch the delete key and obliterate a paragraph or a page; it may take days of patient research to justify a single sentence. This makes positive contribution all the more vital.

I urge you to consider the points I've made today. I'll be returning to Aesop from time to time to see how you're doing. If you have any questions for me, please post them right here -- I'm watching. — Xiong熊talk* 14:36, 2005 August 13 (UTC)

Fragmented discussion merged from User talk:Xiong -- please avoid fragmented discussions. — Xiong熊talk* 14:47, 2005 August 14 (UTC)

To be honest, i rather don't like the way you suggested that i destroyed rather than constructed. Firstly, i did not harshly delete the edit but merely moved it to the talk page so that the unregistered editor, who took the effort to write it, would be read by readers who visit talk pages for more details, or at least other editors could make use of it if they want to. Secondly, jealousy of the Oracle is just one of the many theories over the cause of death of Aesop. In the main article there were already listed two. Perhaps you could add the rest if you like.

i, too, gently urge you to take a look at the history page of Aesop and notice on 2 July an overhaul to the article. It is a great weakness of the wiki universe that people do not put hands to projects themselves but expect things to happen. Make Aesop better if you are really concerned, i have him on my watchlist anyway. --Plastictv 12:07, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

I've already done a small bit of work on Aesop; yes, I may do more, but I have plenty of irons in the fire already. I can only do so much directly; past that point, I must seek to guide other editors to do what I am unable.

I won't quibble whether it is deleting or moving; either way, the content has been removed and nothing set in its place.

Parenthetically, I ask that if you wish to call my attention to certain work, that you link to the diff itself, viz: [2].

I suggest that you have acquired a feeling of ownership of your work, and resent the substandard writing of [3]. I see that earlier, just after the work to which you point, you got involved in a little spat over "subarticle" and template use. Later, you reverted [4] an anon with edit sum rv vandalism although it appears to my eye to have been not so much deliberate vandalism as a very poor effort. Then, you reverted [5]"attire" to "garb". This is not a healthy pattern -- to make substantial edits to an article, then revert subsequent editors for failing to conform to your vision. I would have much less to say if you continued to make substantial contributions to the article, but it looks to me like one big effort followed by adamant defense. I'm sure you can justify each action individually, but I look at the pattern of the whole.

Here's my suggestion: Unwatch the page if you've done. Let some other fellows have a crack at it. It's really, really easy to get overinvested in this thing. — Xiong熊talk* 15:19, 2005 August 14 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern, i'm generally very watchful about being overdefensive of my major edits. As you suggested, i indeed am able to explain each and every edit or reversion you pointed out above.

• The spat over the subarticle template was not over Aesop, but triggered by a harsh decision by a user to modify the {{main}} and {{seemain}} without discussion.
• Changing "garb" to "attire" was due to a mistaken impression that the former sounds informal, but in fact, "garb" is more appropriate and no less formal. You could consult the dictionary.
• As for your "very poor effort", it's laughable. Changing "all claim" to "zxclaim" is a very poor effort?

The general trend is that i'm concerned about the article and therefore placed it on my watchlist, unlike many hit-and-run editors we might have around here. If i may be so bold, as a rather new member of this great community, to give you some suggestions, i might want to remind you to drop your self-appointed policing stance and make more concrete contributions. Up to date you've talked to other users 557 times but only made 143 edits to articles. A bit unbalanced eh? --Plastictv 08:05, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Not Cop

Well, I made my comments; take them for what they're worth. You have a point about hit-and-run editors -- but the other extreme is getting overinvested and defensive about an article. My concern isn't so much the article; anyone can fish an edit out of history or talk and try to clean it up; nothing is ever lost. My concern is more that I'd like to see you grow in a direction both more useful to the project and less stressful to you personally.

You're welcome to criticize me; but I'm hardly a cop, self-appointed or otherwise. In fact I'm rather intolerant of the whole idea of self-appointed cops and view the official sort as a barely-necessary evil -- the fewer, the better. When I make a suggestion, it's just that -- a suggestion, not a snide threat. (I've been on the receiving end of many of those.) I think the way to deal with questionable edits is one-on-one, not by dragging articles, policies, and users through meaningless and contentious votes.

I'm not sure I should respond to your suggestion I've been of little use here. If you don't see any value in my work, perhaps there is none -- for you. But you stirred my mind enough for me to do something I generally don't -- I put together a few paragraphs on the work I've done here so far. It's a bit much with which to burden your user page; if you like, you can check it out at User:Xiong/Brag. — Xiong熊talk* 04:54, 2005 August 17 (UTC)

Well i wish to apologize for that last comment. That was the result of a little anger and irrationality, and very irrelevant as well. i guess everybody contributes in his or her own way. Although i still do not agree with you on my actions regarding Aesop (see below), i do sincerely want to express my apology for letting loose my tongue. --Plastictv 15:27, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

i believe a certain degree of defensiveness and possessiveness is a must in Wikipedia. If one cannot stand by one's own edits, who would? As long as one does not become possessive to the point where one unreasonably blocks any effort by others to make change to a certain article, and as long as one respects the intention and explanation of another editor or a general consensus, it is well within acceptable limit. Our problem in Wikipedia is as much that people do not care what they put down as that people care too much. i don't know if you agree with me on this one? --Plastictv 15:27, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jiangjun

Hi, perhaps that was a bit quick on the trigger? The discussion was not seven-day old yet and a general consensus was not forming. As you might notice, the rename votes were generally not backed up by valid reasons while the delete votes were. Furthermore, those who voted rename generally have at best preliminary knowledge in the Chinese language. What do you suggest that i do now, as the advocate for deletion of the "Chiangchun" article? Should i start a VfD for Jiangjun as well? Thanks. --Plastictv 05:31, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Plastictv, Thanks for your comments. The general period for VfD deliberation is five days, not seven, and the page was past the five day mark. I counted it as 4 votes for delete, and 5 votes to redirect. This is less than half in favor of deletion, which in my opinion is not enough of a consensus for deletion to qualify to delete, and therefore I attempted to implement the consensus to redirect, which was unanimous among those voting keep. Both those voting to redirect and those voting for deletion seemed to have valid reasons, in my interpretation. If you wish to nominate Jiangjun for deletion, personally I would reccomend waiting some time, as the article it was merged with only just survived a VfD, however:

• A. It is not the exact same article.
• B. Most of the article content was deleted, and it is now a stub.

So there might be justification for going ahead with a deletion nomination for Jianjun, which I leave to your discretion. If I may be of further assistance, please let me know. Best regards, Ëvilphoenix ^Burn! 06:56, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. i'll see what i can do with Jiangjun, which in my opinion shouldn't stay as well. :) --Plastictv 07:41, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Three Kingdoms

Hi, sorry to bother you but i'm not very sure with what to do in this matter. A vote on renaming Category:Heroes of the Three Kingdoms had been conducted and the decision is to rename to Category:People of the Three Kingdoms. Besides creating the new category, should i keep an archive of the discussion in the talk page of the new category? And could you help delete the old one? Does it work like that? Thanks so much! :) --Plastictv 14:10, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

I'd suggest going ahead with creating the new category, archiving the discussion in the new category, and submitting the old category to Categories for deletion. And I can't help you delete the old one, I'm not an admin, but CfD is probably the way to go on that one anyway. Best regards, Ëvilphoenix ^Burn! 15:18, August 18, 2005 (UTC).

[edit] Help

Hi, sorry to bother you about this little doubt: Do i get an admin to delete the old category once decision had been made to rename it? This is with regard to renaming Category:Heroes of the Three Kingdoms to Category:People of the Three Kingdoms. Thanks a lot! :) --Plastictv 15:36, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

• Hi, no, we list it at the bottom of WP:CFD in cleanup and after the articles get moved, by whoever, then an admin will delete the category. So feel free to help move the articles, but dont worry about the cat, it will get deleted :) ∞Who?¿? 15:40, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

• Hi -- I'm glad to be able to help! Nandesuka 04:32, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lü Bu

plastictv, to address your questions, i need to ask 2 questions: first, do you read or write the chinese language (or mandarin). this is pertinent to the interpretation of the RTK text. the second question is, is your english proficiency certified? thanks! Chensiyuan 02:29, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi. Yes i read and write the Chinese language. Is my English proficiency certified? i don't know... been using it for a long time and nobody ever asked if it's certified. Does that answer your question? Btw you could reply at your own talk page the next time, i'll check there. :) --Plastictv 08:14, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi, i've been waiting for your reply. May i go ahead and amend the abovementioned article now? --Plastictv 02:54, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sun (disambiguation)

I reverted your edit to Sun (disambiguation) with an explanation on its talk page. I'm happy to discuss it. --Commander Keane 06:40, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Question--Beijing Opera

Do you know a lot about Beijing opera? I'd like to create an article on the opera "Farewell my Concubine" (NOT the movie) and was interested in finding collaborators. (Haha, my goal is to get it listed on "did you know"--don't tell ;) ) So far it seems like one doesn't exist. Thanks! --Dpr 08:24, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

As much as i'd love to, i don't know much about Peking Opera, except that i prefer this old term to "Beijing Opera". :) But you go ahead and get it started, pal. i'll try my best to support the project. --Plastictv 14:48, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Sounds good. Thanks a lot! --Dpr 02:33, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Xu Huang

Plastictv, I can understand why you dislike Xu Huang being associated with pop cultural representations, for example in the form of games and animations. However, encyclopaedias are not necessarily confined to the reporting of historical data. It encompasses a wider range of issues, and perhaps, you would say then such pop cultural phenomena should be mentioned under a separate category.

I think however that to give it a mere whisper of a mention somewhere else is underestimating the impact of what pop culture has had. I play Dynasty Warriors and I completely dislike how many of the generals are portrayed (so many of them are portrayed as feminine and many facts are distorted) - but there is little doubt that it is not impossible that more people have played koei ROTK games than read the novel itself, of which there are already several version of ROTK, and Three Kingdoms.

Another reason why I think it is important to talk about how Xu Huang is portrayed in modern times is because pop culture has been very influential. Historical record should of course be the best source, but you must admit too that some of the records regarding the Three Kingdoms are either contradictory to one another (I'm talking in a general sense, not about Xu), or some information is missing. I know it sucks to have a historical record of Xu Huang vitiated by nonsensical modern portrayals, especially a 'special mention' of how Xu portrayed today in games and what not, but the fact is that many young people take those as facts.

I think you know my point. I also understand that you prefer to have the informantion on Xu Huang which I entered recently inserted in another cateogry. But frankly, are we all not talking about Xu Huang? Isn't it easier to talk about Xu Huang in one single article?

The final issue is why talk about Koei and Xu Huang only. Well I was not going to end there. Xu was an important general and Koei underlines that too.

If you say, however, that in the example of say George Bush, it would be inappropriate to have an entry on Michael Moore or South Park portrays him, I would probably agree. It should be the other way round, in the sense they are the subset. But in this case, because of the sheer impact of an ever growing pop cultural sensationalisation of ROTK by Koei, when people do a wiki search on Xu Huang, they would probably half-expect to see Xu as what they saw in their animation and games.

Discussion continued at User talk:Chensiyuan.

[edit] Aesop

I'm afraid I'm going to have to go with Wetman on this. I think he's right that Aesop is more a legendary figure than a historical one (just like Homer), and I don't find his edit in violation of the NPOV policy. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 13:52, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Analects/Confucius

Thanks for leaving a comment. Check out my reply at Talk:Analects of Confucius. I'm not trying to contentious or anything...And thanks for your concern about my article--no, I'm not even close yet. Best, --Dpr 01:23, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] German

I had to look "schmachte" up in the dictionary; you spelled it right, but it's a very rare, literary verb. The sentence you gave is either ungrammatical or incomplete; it should be something like "Ich schmachte sehr, weil du mit mir nicht kommst" or "... weil du mit mir nicht kommen willst" or something like that. It means "I languish greatley because you don't (or won't) come with me." --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 17:35, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chinese Telephone Numbering Plan

Hey Plastictv, nice edits with the Numbering Plan. I was wondering, how can you be a native speaker of both English and Chinese? Are you interested in editing articles in Wikiproject:Chinese Cities? Colipon+(T) 02:59, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

i'm a native user of both since i'm a Chinese growing up in an English-speaking society? i'm not aware of the existence of such a Wikiproject (or are you proposing it now?), but i'm already taking up a one-man battle to standardize all articles on Chinese prefecture-level cities (i believe you have seen my user page). It'd be nice to have comrades in this campaign. :) --Plastictv 05:26, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Qian

Yeah, i know, and i'm thinking how to separate them neatly .... :P --K.C. Tang 04:07, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chinese maps

Okay, they're all deleted. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 19:39, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Just in case any visitor of this page might read this and wonder, Angr was referring to several maps i produced earlier which regrettably had some copyright issues. i've requested that he delete them and since uploaded new ones onto Wikicommons. :) --Plastictv 02:38, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

The Zhejiang ones with copyright problems are now deleted too. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 12:37, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Maps

Hey, I like the way you've laid out the new maps of prefecture level zones. What program did you use? Are you doing this for all of China? Colipon+(T) 01:06, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Dear Plastictv: Could you please make a map for Taizhou, Jiangsu as you have done to Taizhou, Zhejiang. I just love the map you made, and it's perfect. -- unsigned message from 129.105.116.194

Sure. i'll get on to that soon. :) --Plastictv 06:43, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the wonderful job on Taizhou, Jiangsu. Any plan to edit county-level cities in China? -- unsigned message from 129.105.116.194

You're welcome. i don't have any plan to do that as yet. There are enough prefecture-level cities to go about. --Plastictv 23:56, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

But let me know if you have any particular request. :) --Plastictv 01:54, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Maybe Jiangyan City in Taizhou, Jiangsu?

[edit] Some Help Needed on AFD

Hi plastictv, how's it going. some chaps have taken issue to a movie i made in singapore and featured it on wikipedia. i want to get an opinion from you, or maybe even help me out at the article deletion discussion page. i admit there was some personal bias in the original rendition, but with the newer edits the basis of them calling for deletion is that the movie was 'non-notable'. i think it's a little presumptuous to call something non-notable when those people come from the far west, when i'm dealing with a singaporean film. do as you see fit, thanks. if they havent deleted it already, just do a search on 'Martyr Machiavellian'. Chensiyuan 05:36, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Dwelling in the Fuchun Mountains, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

[edit] Sister Cities: List or Paragraph...???

User:Derek.cashman wants to change, and thinks, that all “Sister cities” lists in articles should be converted/changed to “paragraph” form. I don’t want to. Can you imagine a lists of 26 sister cities, like for Istanbul, and trying to read it in paragraph form? Please read my opinion and info and vote. I would really like your input! WikiDon 02:58, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image Tagging Image:Lu Xun.jpg

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Thanks for your quick response regarding the Lu Xun image. I see you also uploaded Image:Lu_Xun_Residence.jpg, should that one be deleted as well? Matt 16:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] infoboxes

Hi I've created infoboxes for the following cities, feel free to correct them and add information.

• Meizhou
• Heyuan
• Shaoguan
• Zhaoqing
• Zhanjiang
• Karamay
• Jiangmen
• Urumqi

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[edit] Maps of Fujian

Hi, on the maps of Fujian, you've marked out Kinmen (金門) but not Matsu (馬祖).

Also, I think the term "disputed" is too vague... what about "ROC control" or something similar? -- ran (talk) 17:35, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks...

...for your hard work on the Three Kingdoms Period. --Sarazyn • TALK • DE 08:59, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Asking for help

Hi, I'm asking for help on some of the articles on the battles of the Three Kingdoms. I'm asking you because you seem like you know the difference between fact and fiction clearly. Because I don't really, *dry laugh*. (While some people treat the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, and god forbid, Dynasty Warriors as gospel!) Could you look over some of those articles, and leave a comment? (Those on Battle of Sishui Pass and Battle of Hulao Pass especially....I'm not sure if they even existed...) deadkid_dk 10:44, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] guan yu article

Also, the injury was sustained on the left arm instead of the right at an unspecified time. Hua Tuo was not alive at that time of treatment. He was credited to have died in 208 AD, 12 years before the scraping of the bones story happened.

Guan Yu died in 219 after being executed by sun quan so if this bone scrapping operation happend it happened 1 year after he died... either u got the date of hua tuo's death wrong or the bone scrapping date wrong.

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