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Walcome tae the Mercat Cross! This is the airt tae talk aboot the technical wirkins o the Wikipedia.

Table o contents 1 Name o the project 1.1 Logo 2 Neologisms 3 Publeicity 4 Scots speir on the 2011 census 5 Congratulations 6 Wir gittin someplace! 7 Announcement 8 Interwiki Bot Status 9 Wi' hae one heck o' a problim... 10 Interface 11 Interwiki 12 Learnin Scots 13 Pronunciation Richt, Nicht, etc. 14 Innerness 15 Wikipedias without standardized language 16 Wikimania 2007 Team Bulletin 17 Wha daur meddle wi me?

[edit] Name o the project

The'r graet confusion ower this, wi me oniewey. A'v seen aa three variants -- Wikipedia, Wikipedie an Wikipaedia -- aa ower the shop. A think we need tae settle on wan name. A'm agin Wikipaedia mainly acause the RRSSC uises ae tae represent the soond in spaek or windae that can be /i/, /e/ or /ɪ/ dependin on whit airt ye'r frae. But A dinna think oniebodie's pronooncin it /wɪkɪpedia/ or /wɪkɪpɪdia/ -- A daursay that aabodie's sayin /wɪkɪpidia/, same as me (tho A cuid be wrang o coorse). (Wikipedie wad o coorse be /wɪkɪpidi/)

A'm no fasht whit ane o the ither name suggestions we wale. Mendor 18:24, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Weel maist o the ither Romance an Germanic leids uise Wikipedia, sae aiblins it's best that we uise that tae sin ye dinna like Wikipaedia for spellin raisons. Wikipedie wuid be aaricht an aa. The ither leid that uises it is Czech -- nae that that maks onie odds. -- Derek Ross 18:51, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)

A'd hiv thocht it wad hae been Wikipédie in Frainch, but it seems no. It wad help gin we haed onie idea o whit the Scots for encyclopedia wis, gin it wisna juist encyclopedia. A canna fin ocht in DSL. A think "Wikipedia" micht be the maist convenient, tho — Mendor 19:12, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Thare uisst tae be the spellin Encyclopædia aften written Encyclopaedia acause fowk dinna hae thon chairacter on thair typewriters or computers. Tho A wad pronoonce it wi /i/ sae Wikipedia.

Bi the by, can ony o youse cliver chiels sort the IPA/Unicode templates. A haed a shottie at copyin thaim fae the English version but fund masel in a richt fankle. A jalouse that siclike is something we're gaun tae need. Mendor's contreebution abuin juist shaws wee kisties on ma computer - e'en in edit mode.

Jimmy 1st. Julie 2005

Aye, me an aa. I'll see whit I can dae. By the by, Jimmy, gin ye sign yer stuff bi pitting fower tildes aifter it like this: ~~~~, the Wikipedia saftware'll automatically sign and date it for ye. It's maks things a wee bit aesier. Cheers -- Derek Ross 19:37, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for that wi the tildes. A aye wunnert hou fowk daes that.

A eikit a puckle airtins in the Help page. Is thare no a page anent hou tae edit pages? The bittie anent the tildes coud gang in thare an aw.

Jimmy 20:19, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Tak a gander at Whit wey til edit a page. It's a muckle bruit but it haes aa that tilde stuff an aathing in't. Mendor haes translatit maist o it but there's aye a bit in English at the hindend, if ye're feelin eident. -- Derek Ross 20:34, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Logo

A haed anither shottie at the logo. It isna richt rocket science but it micht dae till some dab haund at siclike comes up wi better.

Jimmy 11:31, 22 Augist 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Neologisms

Shuid we hae thaim?

Again, A hae conflictin views on this. The wis aareadies a wee collogue aboot it on meta — A'll hae tae see if A can fin it. Houaniver, A'm thinkin nou mair aboot a puckle o technical terms.

A'v been uisin a puckle neologisms that wisna ma ain — walin for "election" an unthirldom for "independence", baith aucht tae the SNP — but A'm a bit feart tae mak onie mair. For examplar, shuid we be crying "hydrogen" something like watterstuff (cp Ger Wasserstoff)? A dout the'r onie "tradeitional" Scots words for things like that, an it wad mak the meanin o the word mair transparent (for bairns in eddication, say) but it micht be seen as a bit... weel... silly*. But than, same wi unthirldom, an A'm no giein that ane up! :-)

Thochts? Mendor 14:13, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

* (tho A like Ander-Saxon, A ken that maist fowk wad juist see it as a silly joke. Mynd you, the'r plenty fowk see Scots as a bit silly an aa, sae mibbe it disna maitter.)

[edit] Publeicity

A'm gaunae wirk on a sey o a letter/email that we cuid send tae Scots leid upsteerers tae lat thaim ken aboot this project. It shuid be up here soon (-ish). Mendor 14:13, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Guid man. I've aaready duin a bit o that by sendin email tae a couple o fowk that haev Scots wabsteids sic as the convener o the Scottish Language Society an John Tait but I haedna thocht o makkin a staundard email for the job. -- Derek Ross 14:57, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Here a first sey:

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Dear (name o person)

Hiv ye haurd o Wikipedia?

Wikipedia is a free internet encyclopedia. It's pit thegither sae that oniebodie can read or edit it, stert thair ain airticles, an wirk thegither tae ettle efter biggin the biggest wab resoorce for wittins in the warld. The English version aareadies haes mair not 600,000 airticles, an the versions in ither leids bring that total tae 1.6 million airticles.

A version o Wikipedia in Scots haes recently been stertit in Scots. Ye can fin the Scots Wikipedia at http://sco.wikipedia.org/

As (ye/yer organisation/as appropriate) ar (a) weel-kent Scots leid upsteerer(s), we thocht ye micht want tae gie us a haund tae big this encyclopedia up tae the heichest staundart it can be. Ye can help us bi brousin tae http://sco.wikipedia.org, whaur ye can stert editin richt awa gin ye want.

Thanks for yer time in readin this e-mail, an we howp tae see ye at Wikipedia suin!

Yours,

(pit yer name here)

for the contreibutors tae the Scots Wikipedia

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It needs a bit o polishin. A ken it disna mention the Scots Wikipedia till the thrid paragraph, but A'm howpin the fact that it's scrieved in Scots will stop thaim frae binnin it as spam the meinute thay see it :-)

whit dae youse think? Mendor 16:00, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Looks fine, man. If ye pit a subjeck o "Projeck ti mak a Scots Encyclopaedia" or similar, that should draa their interest an aa. For comparison, here's fit I wrat in my emails:

Kennin o yer interest in Scots and yer sterlin efforts tae promote it, I thocht that ye might want ti ken aboot a Scots encyclopedia project which has newly stairtit. It's pairt o the Wikipedia project an can be foond at http://sco.wikipedia.org/

Richt noo it's nae ower impressive but gin ye're nae acquent wi Wikipedia an ye want ti see whit micht be duin gien time, tak a leuk at http://en.wikipedia.org/ Mynd that fower year ago it wis aboot the size that the Scots version is noo.

Gin ye wuid lyke ti help us mak the Scots Wikipedia grow either in yer ane name or anonymously, we'd be gratefu for ony time and effort that ye micht be able tae spare either ti screive stuff yersel or ti tell ither Scots speikers aboot it.

Aiblins it's worth eikin the bit aboot tellin ither Scots speikers an aboot the state o the Scots wikipedia juist nou, ti whit ye've proponed. -- Derek Ross 16:46, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Merged an RRSSC-ed version:

Dear (name o person)

Kennin o yer interest in Scots and yer sterlin efforts tae promote it, A thocht that ye micht want ti ken aboot a Scots encyclopedia project that haes newly stertit. It's pairt o the Wikipedia project an can be funnd at http://sco.wikipedia.org/

Wikipedia is a free internet encyclopedia. It's pit thegither sae that oniebodie can read or edit it, stert thair ain airticles, an wirk thegither tae ettle efter biggin the lairgest wab resoorce for wittins in the warld. The English version aareadies haes mair nor 600,000 airticles, an the versions in ither leids bring that total tae 1.6 million airticles.

Gin ye wad like ti help us mak the Scots Wikipedia growe aither in yer ain name or anonymously, we'd be gratefu for onie time an effort that ye micht be able tae spare aither ti screive stuff yersel or ti tell ither Scots spaekers aboot it.

Thanks for yer time in readin this e-mail, an we howp tae see ye at Wikipedia suin!

Yours,

(pit yer name here)

for the contreibutors tae the Scots Wikipedia

Whit dae ye think?

Wha aa did ye send the emails tae, Derek? A wadna want tae send an email tae a bodie that's aareadies got ane frae you — Mendor 20:20, 19 Julie 2005 (UTC)

Juist ti the twa fowk I mentioned abuin: John Tait an convener o the Scottish Language Society. An whit ye've screived leuks grand, ye ken. -- Derek Ross 20:58, 19 Julie 2005 (UTC)

Sent aff tae:

• Andy Eagle o http://www.scots-online.org — reponed 15:03, 3 Augist 2005 (UTC)
  • sayed he wad pit up a bittie anent the encyclopedia on his wabsteid (but it'll tak twa-three week)
• the wabmaister o Scots Tung Wittins — reponed 18:24, 4 Augist 2005 (UTC)
  • enthusiastic tae help, shuid be alang tae jyne us suin
• the wabmaister o http://www.scotsgate.com/
• "General Enquiries" at http://www.scuilwab.org.uk — reponed 20:35, 3 Augist 2005 (UTC)
  • frae Dr Chris Robinson at the University o Embra, sayin "A'll dae ma best as suin as A hae a meenit or twa."
• the "office" o the Scots Language Resource Centre

nou tae see whit happens... Mendor 17:00, 2 Augist 2005 (UTC)

Guid man! -- Derek Ross 23:15, 2 Augist 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Scots speir on the 2011 census

This isna technical or raellie aboot the Wikipedia but A dinna ken whaur else tae pit it:

The'r a consultation the noo on a speir anent Scots in the 2011 UK census. It's open till 1t August 2005. Ye can repone tae the consultation here. This is a gran chance tae influence the guvrenment's policy an recogneition o Scots (we aamaist got a speir on Scots in the 2001 census, but it wisna tae be). A bid aabodie tae gie it a leukie. Mendor 20:05, 19 Julie 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations

I hope this is the good place to do this... Congratulations on having a Scots wikipedia. Moribunt 19:39, 2 Augist 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations! ēmpoor! 22:02 2 Augist 2005 (CEST)

Congratulations, indeed. Now all we have to do is sit back and wait for the Ullans Wikipedia (I have this sense of humor, I cannot help it!) KillerChihuahua 21:44, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wir gittin someplace!

A juist wantit tae tell ye aw that wir close tae owertakin Kashmiri (कॉशुर / کٲشُر) on the leet! Anerly 34 wikipages tae gang! An eifter that it's juist anither 13 mair airticles afore we bypass Maori (Māori) forby!

But A dae jalouse whit it taks tae git yer name on the hamepage's leet, ye ken unner 100+ airticles (sairly wee prent) acause some wi less airticles than uns are upby! An gin we git oor name upby we wuid maist likely recieve mony mair veesitors. Nou Uiserr

Aye, we'r daein fine. Aa we need is steady contreibutions frae the likes o yersel. Neow airticles are the thing an ye're giein us plenty o thae. -- Derek Ross 14:33, 22 Augist 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. A'm tryin tae mak plenty o new airticles. It's juist that A'm no siccar that ma spellin's richt. Nou Uiserr

Weel, whiles yer spellin is a bittie odd, but dinna fash yersel ower it. There's aye fowk ready an willin ti fix spellin. Fowk like yersel that like makkin neow airticles are thinner on the grun. -- Derek Ross 19:11, 22 Augist 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations - you are now over three times as big as mi:Wikipedia Māori. But for its first 20 months it had hardly any contributors except me - and I'm "mi-1". Now it has at least two frequent contributors who grew up with the language, so it may start to catch up with you. With my 70% Scottish ancestry, I (who have never been out of New Zealand) intend to help both. Robin Patterson 23:54, 14 Mairch 2006 (UTC)

Guid on ye, man! -- Derek Ross 05:10, 15 Mairch 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Announcement

Sorry for using the English language here. I thought that the Mercat Cross may be the best place to notify Scots-speaking Wikipedians of two new facilities at the English language edition of Wikipedia:

Scottish Wikipedians' notice board

and:

Scotland Portal

Please take a look, click the Watch tab, sign-up and contribute. All are most welcome!

(If this is not the best place for this notice, please copy it to the approprite sco page where most discussions/debates/announcements are made. Thanks. I am an sco-1 Scots-speaker, but I just do not have the confidence to write in my mither tung.)--Mais oui! 12:29, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Interwiki Bot Status

Hi. I would like to get my interwiki bot YurikBot marked as a bot in your language. The bot is already operating in almost 50 languages, and it would lower the server load and improve the quality of articles if all interwikies are updated at the same time. You can read more or ask questions here. I always run the latest version of the Pywikipediabot (i am also one of the developers of this project). The request for the bot status is here. Please support. Thank you. --Yurik (en) 20:25, 5 Januar 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wi' hae one heck o' a problim...

W'us bin lookin roond 't wiki an w'us spottit a problim. Yers git yuselfs a wee nasty beastie here whus messin' aboot wi' y'us pages... He calls hi'self "Willy on Wheels", an he's bin bannt ower at 't main Inglis wiki... He taks y'us pages an cheenges 'em tae <whute'er> on Wheels. He's a reet wee scrote, an he nids tae be baant outa here. If y'us hae an admin, mebee y'us shuld look at knockin' tha little plonker on tha heed... cheers aa... 86.140.129.58 03:54, 5 Februar 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interface

Is it juist me or is the "Navigation" bittie aw in English nou? ("Community portal" insteid o "Commonty yett" etc.) An gin it is -- hou is it, dis oniebodie ken? Mendor 15:42, 12 Februar 2006 (UTC)

Huh. It's chynged back for me nou. Weel that's me aw confuised. Ignore haivers abuin. Mendor 17:03, 12 Februar 2006 (UTC)

There wis an update tae the Wikimedia version. That micht hae caused a revert tae English for a minutie. It's aw richt nou tho. -- 68.147.241.235 04:17, 13 Februar 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interwiki

Hello. I'd like to request approval in running an interwiki bot here. The bot is already used in the Romanian and Italian encyclopaedias. I'll post a request on Meta as soon as (if) I am granted approval. Thanks. --Rebel 10:02, 18 Februar 2006 (UTC)

Nae objections here. Mendor (the ither admin) 20:10, 19 Februar 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Learnin Scots

There a puckle fowk at comes ontae the Wiki an asks "Whaur can I lear masel Scots?". Dis fowk think it's a guid idea for us tae mibbe hae a project page (ower an ayont whit Wikipedia:Spellin an grammar dis awreadies), in English mibbe, wi some airtins tae learnin material etc., that's airtit tae frae the front page, for thae fowk tae see as suin's thay come ontae the site? Mendor 20:16, 19 Februar 2006 (UTC)

A'm thinkin that that wid be best duin as a Wikibook. Houaniver we micht link sic a wikibook frae the front page. -- Derek Ross 04:36, 20 Februar 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation Richt, Nicht, etc.

This dinae gae here for ordinar, houaniver Ae dinna ken whar else it shuid gae. Are wirds like "Richt" and "Nicht" ("Right" and "Night" in Inglis) pronounced like there Inglis equivalents, or mair like "Rikt" and "Nikt" ? Canaen 03:06, 12 Apryle 2006 (UTC)

Naether. The letter pair, "ch", is said the wey it is in German words like "Bach" (but nae the wey it is in German words like "reich") rather nor bein' missed oot like it is in English or pronoonced like a "k". The "i" in thae words soonds mair like English "e", forbye, sae a mair richtlike pronoonciation wad soond somethin like "recht", or "necht". -- Derek Ross 03:32, 13 Apryle 2006 (UTC)

Ah. Tricky, but Ae ken Ae got it. Throaty, sorta. Canaen 08:12, 6 Mey 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Innerness

I don't actually speak Scots, but I understand it enough to realize that Inverness and Innerness are about the same city. Could someone combine the two articles. - Andre Engels 15:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Richt eneuch. A'll see whit A can dae. -- Derek Ross 01:55, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedias without standardized language

Hi and sorry I can't contribute in Scots. There are now many Wikipedia projects in languages that don't have a standardized language, one of the most recent of these project being the Bavarian wikipedia. I think that all these projects are dealing with some common questions: What to do about the variation in dialects and spellings and how to justify these projects? Therefore, I'd like to have a common page for all these projects, something alike to the common page of all the wikipedias in Swiss languages: [1]. I must admit that I have no idea what steps I'd have to take in order to create such a page. I just wanted to ask if there'd be support for this idea on the Scots wikipedia which is one of the oldest and largest wikipedia projects without standardized language. A user of the Alemannic wikipedia: -- j. 'mach' wust ☞ ☏ 12:15, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I would certainly support something like that in principle. (How would we communicate, though? It'd be a bit ironic, given that most of these non-standardised languages are under threat from dominating ones, for us to communicate in English, the most dominating language of all -- but I suppose it can't be helped. Unless we'd like to adopt my interlanguage of choice?) --Mendor 18:02, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikimania 2007 Team Bulletin

Published by the Wikimania 2007 Taipei Team, Wikimania 2007 Team Bulletin provides the latest news of the Team's organizing work to everyone who is interested in Wikimania; it also gives the Team chances to announce calls for help/participation, so assistance in human and other resources can be sought in a wider range. Team Bulletin is published at the official website of Wikimania 2007 and released to the public domain. Issue 1 and Issue 2 has already published.--218.166.212.246 02:08, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wha daur meddle wi me?

Please see en:Talk:Scotland#Wha_daur_meddle_wi_me. (Star Admins get a passing promo!)--Mais oui! 12:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC)